How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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Is it 10% for 2022 or is it not? Yes or no?
And as I said, tesco have clearly upped their prices to pay for this. Chasing inflation just leads to more inflation.
Not entirely accurate. They announced a 6.5% pay rise from 1 April 2022 with 2.5% of that backdated to 1 April 2021. And a further 4% pay rise on 1 April 2023. That's more than 10% and the overall time frame is 12 months.
I think ICTU would accept a similar deal.
It’s over 3 years you muppet.
https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2022/0530/1302028-10-pay-rise-for-tesco-staff/
They announced it over the course of several years ffs.
Oh and by the way, tesco have noticeabley increased their prices massively in the last few months so... What's the point in big pay rises when it's just driving more inflation?
Tesco announced a 10% pay increase for staff just 3 weeks ago.
When I think of a "dipshit" - a person talking rubbish is usually high up the list.
The previous 1% was either 1% or €500, whichever was more.
There is precedent to switch out the percentage for a set amount
You know, I've often wondered the same, especially when it relates to increases for "cost of living" and those on lower incomes are hit harder.
You can see from the examples posted above that a flat 4% to one higher earner may be worth €44 a week whereas to someone on a lower pay it would only be worth €22 (both gross).
They would be more likely to take it in stages of "anyone earning under €30k" and "anyone under €50k" etc, though, rather then by each grade (of which there are too many, when you include the non-administrative grades as well).
Another option could be flat rate increases. Everyone across the board gets the exact same increase in their weekly gross (eg. €50 a week) right from those on the bottom of the CO scale right up to the Sec Gen at the very top. But even though flat rates have been suggested in past negotiations for pay deals, they don't go for that.
Could they negotiate for or would there be an appetite for lower grades getting a bigger percentage increase than higher grades.
6% for CO, 5% for EO, 4% for HEO... etc ?
Not just to boost the salaries of civil servants at the lower grades but also to entice more talent into the service even starting at the lower grades.
taken over the last few years vs inflation id imagine thats an extraordinarily incorrect statement tbh
we are seeing a pressure point here because of an employer having dragged their heels on pay restoration and putting in 1% here and 1% there
and in any case, what one side is asking vs what is expected are different things, but listen if it makes you vewy cwoss maybe just wait for the outcome and see if you can live with it ok hun?
God help us with these dipshits looking for payrise to match inflation.
No one is getting payrise to equal inflation ffs.
It's a decent start but unions can't agree to put their members so much out of pocket so readily. There's 9% inflation expected over the two years.
I'm guessing the government left some wiggle room but probably not a lot. Hopefully they can come to some agreement.
Well - whatever pay rises are agreed upon, the exchequer will take back 60% in taxation (I’m including ASC) for anybody earning above €35k. Which, let’s face it, is the vast majority of public servants.
So a 3% rise costs the government about 1% net. If the pay rise is spent - consumption taxes will bite too.
Presumably the reason that you’ve no union battling for you is because you’ve never joined a union and never organised the labour in your workplace.
It’s not the magic union fairy in the sky that makes things happen. You have to organise.
Except it is June already and you totally ignored that increments do not form part of the pay talks.
3.5% in October this year and 2.5% in mid 2023 would have been fair enough imo, unions shouldn't be so quick to walk away from the deal, it's a good enough one
Quitelife you didn't pretend to be in the public sector in any of your previous rants about public sector increments.
Get a hobby.
So you get an increment of 4% in January this year and another 3.5% for inflation making it 7.5% for 2022 .
4% of an increment in January 2023 and another 3% for inflation making it 7 % for 2023 in my case .
14.5% over two years for those who get increments like myself is more than fair and 6.5% for top of scales isn’t bad , 72000 was top of scale now it’ll be close to 77,000 . A decent wage
I reckon it'll end up somewhere around 3.5 this year and 3 next year.
Correct according to the IrishTimes. The 2.5% this year was on top of the 2% previously agreed (1% in Feb and 1% in Oct).
No rises for us "just because" either.
Performance Management and Development System (PMDs).
Look it up.
If you're not in a union, you can join one. Its your constitutional right.
I worked in the private sector for years and I got at least a rise annually and got all sorts of bonuses. Loads of them were just because as far as I could see.
I get paid far less now in the public sector and there are no bonuses.
Don't mind me, I'm just a bit jealous. I'm struggling too but not in public sector. Iv no union batting for me
Oh lord. That will go down well.
I would like to see taxes reduced but only for the private sector. It would be a better system as people in the private sector generally only get pay rises because of good performance or increased skills etc.
There are no rises "just because "
Now obviously none of this is realistic, fair or logical but neither is the situation
I know, it always sounds worse when worked out weekly 😐️
Also, I wonder if this in addition to the two increases of 1% under building momentum.
I guess it depends on when in 2023 for the 2nd 2.5% - if it's Feb 2023, its different to Dec 2023. I think people would be very unhappy with only 2.5% right now though - the optics and headlines would result in a lot of unhappy members I'd say.
So, that CO earning €29,368 (€562.83 pw) will get an increase to €30,102 (€576.88 pw) or the grand sum of €14.05 per week, before deductions! 🤑
Yeah.... no. 😑
They're going to have to do considerably better than that.
5% over two years. I wouldn't be annoyed if the Union's agreed to that tbh.
Government were offering 2.5% for 2021-2022, the same for 2023 apparently.
increments- theres a grade that covers the entire civil service and theres thousands of people in it hm i wonder is that grade something i might usefully compare to my role at my private sector firm
imo unless yr work is like IBM or a global bank or somewhere then no you might not usefull compare
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