How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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Could they negotiate for or would there be an appetite for lower grades getting a bigger percentage increase than higher grades.
6% for CO, 5% for EO, 4% for HEO... etc ?
Not just to boost the salaries of civil servants at the lower grades but also to entice more talent into the service even starting at the lower grades.
You know, I've often wondered the same, especially when it relates to increases for "cost of living" and those on lower incomes are hit harder.
You can see from the examples posted above that a flat 4% to one higher earner may be worth €44 a week whereas to someone on a lower pay it would only be worth €22 (both gross).
They would be more likely to take it in stages of "anyone earning under €30k" and "anyone under €50k" etc, though, rather then by each grade (of which there are too many, when you include the non-administrative grades as well).
Another option could be flat rate increases. Everyone across the board gets the exact same increase in their weekly gross (eg. €50 a week) right from those on the bottom of the CO scale right up to the Sec Gen at the very top. But even though flat rates have been suggested in past negotiations for pay deals, they don't go for that.
The previous 1% was either 1% or €500, whichever was more.
There is precedent to switch out the percentage for a set amount
Tesco announced a 10% pay increase for staff just 3 weeks ago.
When I think of a "dipshit" - a person talking rubbish is usually high up the list.
They announced it over the course of several years ffs.
Oh and by the way, tesco have noticeabley increased their prices massively in the last few months so... What's the point in big pay rises when it's just driving more inflation?
It’s over 3 years you muppet.
https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2022/0530/1302028-10-pay-rise-for-tesco-staff/
Not entirely accurate. They announced a 6.5% pay rise from 1 April 2022 with 2.5% of that backdated to 1 April 2021. And a further 4% pay rise on 1 April 2023. That's more than 10% and the overall time frame is 12 months.
I think ICTU would accept a similar deal.
Is it 10% for 2022 or is it not? Yes or no?
And as I said, tesco have clearly upped their prices to pay for this. Chasing inflation just leads to more inflation.
theyve been doing this for years now tbf
comes a time when you need to check out the effect on the higher grades too or we could just start paying everyone the same regardless of role, experience and qualifications
when the private sector start that I'll sign up
Yes, Tesco have upped their prices to pay for this. (I started a thread on it, on Rip Off Ireland).
Basically, if I continue to shop in Tesco, I'm paying for Tesco workers pay increases - out of my (proposed) 2.5% public service pay increase.
Who pays for the PS increase?
It would be obvious to most that staff wages is not the only upward pressure on the cost of goods, though there is no doubting it is an important one.
who pays for any wage increase?
and what power does it give them?
we've been through this a million times before, i have a manager and an employer thanks.
when you start expecting cutomers to be consulted on your salary come back and talk to us.
What difference does that make? The public sector pay deal is not just for 2022, just as the Tesco pay deal wasn't. A rise in 2022 and a rise in 2023, identical to how the public pay deal will be approached.
What you said was that nobody was giving pay rises to match inflation. It's there just a few posts up. I know you aren't the sharpest knife in the drawer but try to remember what you said just a few hours ago.
Have a read back over that, and read it again for good measure. Maybe it might be best to have someone read it for you because like poor Pussyhands, you're clearly not the sharpest crayon in the box.
The proposed public sector pay deal is to be a multi-year deal too. You do realise that, right ...?
You responded to a poster who said no one was being given a pay rise matching inflation with a statement that Tesco workers got a 10% pay rise. What you either didn’t know, or didn’t understand is that the pay rise is spread over three years, some of which will not be paid until this time next year. That is not the same as getting an inflation matching pay rise today. It’s all the the article I linked, tap your way out of that one. Muppet.
AIB recently agreed a 10% pay rise over 2 years.
Bank of Ireland a 7.5% increase over 2 years.
Tesco as previously mentioned a 10% increase over effectively 12 months.
Last Christmas Dunnes Stores employees had a 10% increase confirmed permanent.
These are the levels, 5 percent is derisory and insulting.
It is over 10% within the year and a day running from 31 March 2022 to 1 April 2023. On 1 April 2023, Tesco staff will be making over 10% more than they were making on 31 March 2022. This isn't even including the 2.5% backdated to 1 April 2021.
The Exchequer does, funded by the taxpayer.
And last I checked, members of the public sector are all taxpayers who contribute to the Exchequer the same as any private sector employee.
I know some like to think that we don't, and I only wish that were true, as if those deductions weren't being taken from my payslip each fortnight that would be a nice increase in itself.
Tax payer is the answer.
If inflation is driven higher by wage increases, how does that help customers? Customer spending is a very important factor in salary decisions.
I'm not sure if you understand English, but the 6.5 percent was given as of April, and the remaining 4 percent is given next year. There is 12 months between both payrises. That is indisputable.
The backdating is completely irrelevant in the context of the real-world application of the payrise. They didn't get it then, they are getting it now and will get the remaining amount in 12 months time. Which bit of that is unclear?
If the public sector pay deal is agreed tomorrow for 10% and 9% of that is backdated to the 18/06/2021, what difference does that make? Kindly answer that question. I'll be interested to see you "tap your way out of that one", whatever that means. Embarassing.
it simply isnt.
govt not like a profit making enterprise shocker
thanks for the thoughts tho
Who knew the public and civil service were not in existence to make a profit, and comparing them to entities who do exist to turn a profit in the context of inflation is utterly stupid?
I can't wait to see all these price hikes take effect as a result of the payrises. Your council housing application will no longer be free, because of the payrises it's 50 quid per application! See, inflation is dangerous!
jesus biyiz ye are so uber concerned with saving every cent ye can on public sector salaries id hate to fuckin think the conniptions ye would have if ye had any idea how many specialist and professional roles were currently being filled by contractors at fairly exorbitant rates because we cannot get people to fill permanent roles on the current terms and conditions
no doubt your equation of "cut costs therefore minimise salaries amnt i a genius" would have a built in solution there and all, huh
2.5% over 18 months is 1.66% gross before paye,prsi,usc etc. over a year with inflation running at 8.5%+ are you for real ?!
signs of private sector workers starting strikes in parts of the country.. constant never ending price rises with no matching pay rises will have the public sector joining them by the end of the year if a deal not done...
if the government made more of an effort to DRIVE DOWN rents, house prices and fuel costs they wouldnt have to increase pay by very much ..
many increments for 3-4 and 10 years at a time attract absolutely no pay rise with them
most of the PS rise goes back to the government again in PAYE, PRSI, USC, Pension Levy and ultimately Vat and other tax measures..
I think it’s a bit simplistic to say the taxpayer foots the bill for public sector pay increases. Many parts of the public sector are self sufficient from charging fees for a service. The fees often come from abroad too. The public sector needs to be given more credit for the amount of revenue it generates directly and indirectly
I wouldn't rely on the Trade Unions to get any sort of decent deal. They talk the talk but never walk the walk.. They are the tail being wagged by the dog.
Construction. Particularly the supervision, inspection of statutory regulations etc
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