How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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4.3% of an increment and 4% for inflation so makes 8.3% for a year...its a very good pay rise to be fair.
To be fair theres very few in private sector getting 8.3% pay rise , unless your very qualified the public sector is the place to be.
increments arent payrise but i mean look
people in my area of work are getting 8% every year let alone begging for it over three years
lets please not have another interminable debate about why x is like y for public vs private
x isnt like y and if you say it is you are prob looking for another thread
Well they will introduce a third 30 percent tax band in the next budget which everyone including Public Servants will benefit from. So we will get a pay rise and benefit from any new tax cuts.
We get ban increment every year in the public sector so not sure what every 3 years is about?
This was already explained up thread, maybe you missed it? But increments stop at the top of the scale until promotion.
Many people on the top of their scales haven't had increments for years.
So no, there is no increment every year. That's an (oft pedalled by the private sector) fallacy.
"Everyone" will not benefit from a new tax rate, unless they're already on the higher rate of tax.
sigh
a poster was telling us all he is getting an 8% payrise this year including increment, good for him if so, pls dont mistake that as relevant to pay talks, that post would be well disregarded and ive me doubts about the purpose of it tbh
the 8% actual payrise that might be in scope here is the pay talks and is likely to be an 8% rise over 3 years or thereabouts which was floated as possible a few days back by one side or another so apologies for any confusion there
it rather underlines my point that ppl blending increments pensions payrises promotions all together in a thread about pay talks are engaged in behaviour that muddies the entire water and im rarely convinced its innocent and im always convinced its unproductive
increments- theres a grade that covers the entire civil service and theres thousands of people in it hm i wonder is that grade something i might usefully compare to my role at my private sector firm
imo unless yr work is like IBM or a global bank or somewhere then no you might not usefull compare
Government were offering 2.5% for 2021-2022, the same for 2023 apparently.
5% over two years. I wouldn't be annoyed if the Union's agreed to that tbh.
So, that CO earning €29,368 (€562.83 pw) will get an increase to €30,102 (€576.88 pw) or the grand sum of €14.05 per week, before deductions! 🤑
Yeah.... no. 😑
They're going to have to do considerably better than that.
I guess it depends on when in 2023 for the 2nd 2.5% - if it's Feb 2023, its different to Dec 2023. I think people would be very unhappy with only 2.5% right now though - the optics and headlines would result in a lot of unhappy members I'd say.
I know, it always sounds worse when worked out weekly 😐️
Also, I wonder if this in addition to the two increases of 1% under building momentum.
I would like to see taxes reduced but only for the private sector. It would be a better system as people in the private sector generally only get pay rises because of good performance or increased skills etc.
There are no rises "just because "
Now obviously none of this is realistic, fair or logical but neither is the situation
Oh lord. That will go down well.
Don't mind me, I'm just a bit jealous. I'm struggling too but not in public sector. Iv no union batting for me
I worked in the private sector for years and I got at least a rise annually and got all sorts of bonuses. Loads of them were just because as far as I could see.
I get paid far less now in the public sector and there are no bonuses.
No rises for us "just because" either.
Performance Management and Development System (PMDs).
Look it up.
If you're not in a union, you can join one. Its your constitutional right.
Correct according to the IrishTimes. The 2.5% this year was on top of the 2% previously agreed (1% in Feb and 1% in Oct).
I reckon it'll end up somewhere around 3.5 this year and 3 next year.
So you get an increment of 4% in January this year and another 3.5% for inflation making it 7.5% for 2022 .
4% of an increment in January 2023 and another 3% for inflation making it 7 % for 2023 in my case .
14.5% over two years for those who get increments like myself is more than fair and 6.5% for top of scales isn’t bad , 72000 was top of scale now it’ll be close to 77,000 . A decent wage
Quitelife you didn't pretend to be in the public sector in any of your previous rants about public sector increments.
Get a hobby.
3.5% in October this year and 2.5% in mid 2023 would have been fair enough imo, unions shouldn't be so quick to walk away from the deal, it's a good enough one
Except it is June already and you totally ignored that increments do not form part of the pay talks.
Presumably the reason that you’ve no union battling for you is because you’ve never joined a union and never organised the labour in your workplace.
It’s not the magic union fairy in the sky that makes things happen. You have to organise.
Well - whatever pay rises are agreed upon, the exchequer will take back 60% in taxation (I’m including ASC) for anybody earning above €35k. Which, let’s face it, is the vast majority of public servants.
So a 3% rise costs the government about 1% net. If the pay rise is spent - consumption taxes will bite too.
It's a decent start but unions can't agree to put their members so much out of pocket so readily. There's 9% inflation expected over the two years.
I'm guessing the government left some wiggle room but probably not a lot. Hopefully they can come to some agreement.
God help us with these dipshits looking for payrise to match inflation.
No one is getting payrise to equal inflation ffs.
taken over the last few years vs inflation id imagine thats an extraordinarily incorrect statement tbh
we are seeing a pressure point here because of an employer having dragged their heels on pay restoration and putting in 1% here and 1% there
and in any case, what one side is asking vs what is expected are different things, but listen if it makes you vewy cwoss maybe just wait for the outcome and see if you can live with it ok hun?
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