How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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a poster was telling us all he is getting an 8% payrise this year including increment, good for him if so, pls dont mistake that as relevant to pay talks, that post would be well disregarded and ive me doubts about the purpose of it tbh
the 8% actual payrise that might be in scope here is the pay talks and is likely to be an 8% rise over 3 years or thereabouts which was floated as possible a few days back by one side or another so apologies for any confusion there
it rather underlines my point that ppl blending increments pensions payrises promotions all together in a thread about pay talks are engaged in behaviour that muddies the entire water and im rarely convinced its innocent and im always convinced its unproductive
"Everyone" will not benefit from a new tax rate, unless they're already on the higher rate of tax.
This was already explained up thread, maybe you missed it? But increments stop at the top of the scale until promotion.
Many people on the top of their scales haven't had increments for years.
So no, there is no increment every year. That's an (oft pedalled by the private sector) fallacy.
We get ban increment every year in the public sector so not sure what every 3 years is about?
Well they will introduce a third 30 percent tax band in the next budget which everyone including Public Servants will benefit from. So we will get a pay rise and benefit from any new tax cuts.
people in my area of work are getting 8% every year let alone begging for it over three years
lets please not have another interminable debate about why x is like y for public vs private
x isnt like y and if you say it is you are prob looking for another thread
increments arent payrise but i mean look
4.3% of an increment and 4% for inflation so makes 8.3% for a year...its a very good pay rise to be fair.
To be fair theres very few in private sector getting 8.3% pay rise , unless your very qualified the public sector is the place to be.
This is completely unrealistic. You want to government to simultaneously increase pay and lower taxes?
No it wouldn't be excessive. I'm a HEO. I'd be more than happy to see the co's on less than 30k a year get a real bump to help them. I think it's the fairest outcome. I'd prefer a
third tax bracket of 30 percent or so so less of my income was taxed at the higher rate. Hopefully a pay rise and a third tax bracket in the next budget. Now that would really be win win.
Government is never going to provide private healthcare. That would be declaring surrender on the HSE.
As I once said to a Principal Officer, back when I was a young and very cheeky clerical assistant, when talking about a pay deal (can't remember which one)...
"2% of what you're earning is a decent amount. 2% of what I'm earning, wouldn't buy me **** all".
Okay, so take the CO scale, for example, and apply the same logic.
Take someone on the fourth point of the CO scale, for example, earning €28,181 pa (€540.07 pw). They get an annual increment of approx 4%, so their weekly pay goes up to €29,368 (€562.83 pw).
That's a gross increase of €1,187 per year or €22.76 per week. Remember, that is gross, before deductions.
And in real terms, is approx half of what your increase from €54,112 to €56,435 was. (€44.67 pw).
Do you really think approx €22.76 a week gross is a huge increase?
Do you think, given the current rate of inflation and spiralling living costs, that awarding them another 4% increase, raising them from €29,368 to €30,542.72 (approx €22.51 pw gross) on top would be "excessive"?
Because I don't.
I am in.
They can keep paying it because revenues keep increasing. I'm sure somebody in your position had the same argument about receiving 10/15k a long time ago.
And lets not pretend that the increments are some form of gift. The lower end of the scales are pitiful. Imagine taking up a clerical officer role in Dublin for 25k, before pension deductions!
There's not too many who feel over valued in the public sector, so congrats for that at least.
How can the Public Sector give increments of 2 to 4% per annum up to the top of your scale and also give a separate percentage increase to your salary.
My salary already went from 54,112 up to to 56435 a 4.3% increase from my annual increment in January , and now i will get another 3 or 4 % onto the 56,435..another 1693 or 2257 ...bring me up to 58,128 or 58,692..??
So i could get a possible 8.3% rise this year alone ?
How can the state keep paying all this??
What he said:
Imposing a unilateral pay increase is no way to move forward with these negotiations
Flexi time was never removed.
The pilots to reinstate the ability to accrue hours towards flexi leave are beginning - its beginning in my dept next month, I think its to coincide with the reinstatement of Pre-HRA hours.
So effectively, yes.
Is flexi returning? I know flexi time is but I don't think accrual of flexi leave is if doing blended working.
id pay no odds to an early breakdown.
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The rate of inflation continues to increase this year, (up from 7.3% in April to 8.2% in May). I think there is some rationale to support a view that it will probably peak over the summer and then start to taper down slightly. However, current estimates would suggest that you might have inflation in the region if 3-4% next year - as things stand.
You mention fuel there, but important to remember that house price inflation dropped for the first time in two years - but from a rate of 15.1% to 14.2% - still awful for those looking to buy or rent.
Offering the same pay rates regardless of location might finally get some scrutiny, there's no logic to paying a nurse in Donegal the same amount as the one working in St Vincent's.
Let's see you applying and getting in.
Have you forgotten what those public servants do for a living. Social welfare. Revenue, Gardai, Army, prison service. Nurses, doctors etc.
If you think it's so cushy, apply for one of the many posts.
WFH cannot be guaranteed in roles where WFH is not possible so any promise of "guaranteed WFH" is worthless.
7 hour day reinstated from 1st July, a mere two weeks from now. There is no need for an extra day annual leave, with flexi returning.
Again, none of the above will help pay spiralling living costs.
Not to mention, that while commuting costs may be reduced for some by WFH, there will be the added cost of already rapidly increasingly electricity and heating bills that will need to be paid for their own homes while WFH.
Again, I'll take the pay rise, thank you.
You can't have WFH as part of pay talks - WFH will always be contingent on an individual's performance in the role and if deadlines and outputs aren't achieved and service levels deteriorate in-office working will always be needed to support these kind of situatations so a blanket approach of an entitlement won't work.
Seems like the govt were on a very different page to the unions and had the idea of 5% over 2-3 years, vs the unions bottom line of something more like 5% in year 1.
Fair for the PS, at a cost of 1.6B per year, coming after the extraordinary drain Covid has put of the public purse. The headline increased cost at the moment is fuel, other indicators like the cost of microchips, shipping and fertilisers, crude prices have dropped significantly in recent weeks as production/supply increases. Fuel prices will fall eventually with resolution in Ukraine, but it will be nigh on impossible to reverse these excessive pay rises again, like in the last recession. So giving anything above 3% would be excessive.
If the management boards in Government Dept's don't want guaranteed or full time wfh the Government Ministers are going to force it through.
A wfh framework which wont be of benefit to most i gurantee.
Id imagine govt would take hand and all for 5 percent over 3 yesrs.
LOL. Fanciful.
There will have to be a pay rise to offset the increased cost of living and energy costs. 6 to 7% is probably fair.
But what this country needs now more than anything is more houses at affordable prices.
God I hope this Government has the balls not to cave to a large pay rise which is just as likely to drive inflation/prices upwards, as it is to ease the stress on those poor, downtrodden Public Servants.
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