How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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You're right, those Clerical Officers sure were lucky! And with falling cost of living at that time to help cushion the cuts.
Or did you momentarily forget the thousands dumped on the dole during those years?
And the Public Sector jobs that were available before the crash are still available now. I'd argue it's never been easier to get into the PS.
good job you can practically double the savings figure as it is per day (up and back) not per week (i.e. 2 days at home)
So that's 3 different examples, 2 of which aren't really that major. Well that's great, Ireland is certainly a global trailblazer of innovation in so many different ways
What is the point to this?
This thread is about the current public sector pay talks. I fail to see what point you are trying to make here.
Where's that shifting goalposts gif again?
I don't think there's really much prospect of a sharp decrease in the cost of living in the short to medium term. It's more of a case of whether the current sharp increases will start to calm down a bit over the next 12-18 months.
I think that's the logic behind a proposal for a short term deal to see how this all pans out - it's very hard to predict what'll happen over a 2-3 year period.
If the Government acceded to a wage decrease because of a sharp decrease in the cost of living what would be the prospects of you querying if they'd respond similarly to a corresponding wage increase when inflation/cost of living increases?
It’s also worth thinking about how Ireland constantly punches above ourselves weight in Europe, with people like Catherine Day, Mairead McGuinness, Frances Fitzgerald, Pat ??? ex PD fella. We take senior Europeanill far more frequently than our size would suggest.
I’m sure that sounded a lot better in your head, I suspect the Government would gladly accede to a wage reduction if the unions requested it. Whether the Government agree to a wage increase remains to be seen, if they are serious about trying to stop inflation from rising further, they absolutely should not agree to it.
Are the talks due to finish tomorrow?
It'll be weeks before there's any agreement. If any.
Very little word leaking out of the talks so far. Probably a good thing - neither side is fed up enough yet to start lying about each other to the media!
It sounds exactly as I meant it to sound. I'm sure you understood it.
Almost one third of Irish households are in energy poverty.
Working Irish households are having to cut their food spending in order to keep fuel in their vehicles. We're told food prices are going to increase further. Fuel prices continue to soar.
The dream of owning a home has vanished for many.
The rich have never been richer. Energy companies are generating more profits than what they know what to do with. Our government are bringing in record revenues.
They're expected to conclude within a week or two. Strong basis for agreement before they got underway.
I don't think there's a hope in hell of them agreeing any time soon. Are they going to agree on a pay deal to match inflation? Not a chance. Are all unions going to accept anything less? Not a chance, not at this early stage anyway.
It's hard to see them having entered formal negotiations if there wasn't a strong basis for agreement within a relatively short timeframe. It's not how we tend to negotiate public sector pay deals. Most of the work will have been done before the formal talks got underway.
They hope to have an agreement in place by the budget in October.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40895633.html
Looks like you were right!
Adjourned for now, so haven't collapsed entirely ... yet.
I reckon they won’t be long going back in for more discussions. Both sides need a proposed deal to be reached with the cost of living spiraling. Probably just at opening pitch stage now but they can’t mess about for too long
Do public pay deals tend to have any kind of knock on effect of wage rises for the private sector and economy in general ?
"Significant differences" doesn't sound promising.
Surprised to read that "both sides had raised the possibility of social policy measures, such as improved access to healthcare and moves to make childcare more affordable, playing a part in any final agreement."
I think most just want/need to be able to pay their ever increasing bills.
Do the government really need it though? An imposed increase of 3%, maybe even 2.5% over the next 18 months would be enough to avoid industrial action of any real significance.
Nor does "He said he did not know if the gap between the parties could be bridged and said the other side was not prepared to move." in this article:
This is vital to reduce the cost of living on parents and to keep women in the workforce. No brainer.
Fantastic. Country on its knees with inflation and people starting to talk about industrial action. 1 day strikes dont work. And people cant afford to be on a picket losing pay. Possibly a work to rule in social protection and the passport office might be the way to go.
if you believe some posters
others would say.....its rather the opposite
Thats just annoying, just wanted something out if it.
What do you think is the best way forward for the Unions?
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