How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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@[Deleted User] you've mentioned the new pension a couple of times, is there anywhere that documents a simulation of how different the current pensions are to the previous pension scheme.
i agree with loueze
ill take both, restoration of a ten year debt in both time and salary is not a bargaining chip and wfh is a separate item
there isnt really because they are fundamentally very different but one is based on a multiple of your final salary (give or take) and the other the same multiple of your average salary over the forty years
the difference based on even that much should be apparent i think
@[Deleted User] Yeah I see what you mean there alright. Thanks
'Many' - the smoking ban is a good example but happened a long time ago now, can you list a good few more then, and more recently?
What exactly could happen in the medium to long term if talks were to fail?
Industrial action, presumably.
And lose pay while you're at it. Sounds like you're not too badly off suggesting to give up income during a period of spiraling costs.
That's a fair leap, they simply stated what could happen
I didn't suggest anything, actually.
Sure, I usually charge €100 an hour to do other people’s research for them, does that fee work for you?
oh
its you
If the Government accede to a wage increase because of a sharp increase in the cost of living as a result of war/Covid related shortages, what are the prospects of the PS unions agreeing to a corresponding wage cut when inflation/cost of living drops?
Yep, time for your friendly reminder that the Luas drivers just about broke even with their pay increases after pro-longed strikes which saw them lose many days pay.
Careful what you wish for.
We heard the moaning of the unions that they did not cause the recession and so should not have had their pay cut. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say they did not cause covid or the war either. Are they suggesting that the pay should not be increased similarly?
They didn't need any “agreement" last time - they just called it "emergency financial measures" and did what they liked, then took 10 years to restore. 10 years of HRA hours as well, were contrary to employment law the extra hours worked by every civil and public servant were ignored not only for the purpose of pay, but towards annual leave calculations under the Working Time Act as well.
Enough. Not listening to this crap any more.
Can any civil or public servants on the thread agree to please ignore the usual anti civil and public sector posters who appear and invade every thread about C&PS conditions, please?
We all know who they are.
I did a quick calculation on current costs of driving to work and what a person would save based on the distance from work and working 2 days at home
This is based on assumptions of 6l/100km and fuel at €2.10
30km Roundtrip saving of €7.50/week
40km Roundtrip saving of €10/week
50km Roundtrip saving of €12.50/week
60km Roundtrip saving of €15/week
70km Roundtrip saving of €17.50/week
80km Roundtrip saving of €20/week
90km Roundtrip saving of €22.5/week
100km Roundtrip saving of €25/week
I know not everyone drives to work and people use public transport/walk/cycle etc. but it gives an idea of the savings some people could make from WFH. I know people in the PS that can do there job from home 5 days a week and living long distances from the office. One person is passing a Municpal District Office 5 mins from home but has to drive a further 30 mins to work. This kind of stuff is madness no matter what the cost of fuel/cost of living.
The unwinding of FEMPI took way too long and the so called payrises(restoration!) equating to €5/6 per week every 9months were paltry.
did.....2010 through to literally this year just not happen or what?
agreed but i do think if a poster is known for turning up on a topic and starting with 100% incorrect nonsense from scratch -every single time- as if they haven't been set straight forty times before, they should see some stronger action against them
but im funny that way
Yeah, I'm sure you do. You claim Ireland leads the way on many innovative policies, should be pretty easy to back that claim up instead of deflecting with bullshit - surely if you're aware of these MANY innovative policies you could rattle off a few of the quality examples off the top of your head
The plastic bag levy would be one other I can think of, but wouldn't really consider that too major and was also long ago and not really innovative either as it's just the typical Irish mentality of taxing our way out of issues
Seems though you’re working really hard to put people off the idea of industrial action! I wonder why?
If I was vaguely interested, I certainly could, but unfortunately I cba’d.
The plastic bag is indeed a good one. Here’s another example, when the Irish Covid app was used around the world.
Has the entire CS ever gone on strike?
Across all grades at the same time?
Not within my memory.
Thanks. When was the least time there was even a grade wide strike?
2009 & I think 2010
Just to clarify, because the point has been brought up a few times, if inflation drops the cost of living remains high. The cost of living only drops with deflation.
I think any wage increase would be linked to the cost of living metric, not inflation.
Was there not a wide one day strike in 2009? I’m reminded of it with every pension statement.
In 2009 when the industrial unrest about the FEMPI cuts was going on, most grades were represented by separate unions.
Now with most being rolled into FORSA, things may play out differently.
I think you know that Public Servants are always punished when the arse falls out of things. During the recession Clerical Officers earning 25k a year had their wages cut.
Don't be acting like Public Servants only ever benefit from economic conditions when you know full well we more than shoulder our share of the burden when things are tough.
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