How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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If the Government acceded to a wage decrease because of a sharp decrease in the cost of living what would be the prospects of you querying if they'd respond similarly to a corresponding wage increase when inflation/cost of living increases?
I don't think there's really much prospect of a sharp decrease in the cost of living in the short to medium term. It's more of a case of whether the current sharp increases will start to calm down a bit over the next 12-18 months.
I think that's the logic behind a proposal for a short term deal to see how this all pans out - it's very hard to predict what'll happen over a 2-3 year period.
Where's that shifting goalposts gif again?
What is the point to this?
This thread is about the current public sector pay talks. I fail to see what point you are trying to make here.
So that's 3 different examples, 2 of which aren't really that major. Well that's great, Ireland is certainly a global trailblazer of innovation in so many different ways
good job you can practically double the savings figure as it is per day (up and back) not per week (i.e. 2 days at home)
And the Public Sector jobs that were available before the crash are still available now. I'd argue it's never been easier to get into the PS.
You're right, those Clerical Officers sure were lucky! And with falling cost of living at that time to help cushion the cuts.
Or did you momentarily forget the thousands dumped on the dole during those years?
I think you know that Public Servants are always punished when the arse falls out of things. During the recession Clerical Officers earning 25k a year had their wages cut.
Don't be acting like Public Servants only ever benefit from economic conditions when you know full well we more than shoulder our share of the burden when things are tough.
In 2009 when the industrial unrest about the FEMPI cuts was going on, most grades were represented by separate unions.
Now with most being rolled into FORSA, things may play out differently.
Was there not a wide one day strike in 2009? I’m reminded of it with every pension statement.
Just to clarify, because the point has been brought up a few times, if inflation drops the cost of living remains high. The cost of living only drops with deflation.
I think any wage increase would be linked to the cost of living metric, not inflation.
2009 & I think 2010
Thanks. When was the least time there was even a grade wide strike?
Across all grades at the same time?
Not within my memory.
Has the entire CS ever gone on strike?
If I was vaguely interested, I certainly could, but unfortunately I cba’d.
The plastic bag is indeed a good one. Here’s another example, when the Irish Covid app was used around the world.
Seems though you’re working really hard to put people off the idea of industrial action! I wonder why?
Yeah, I'm sure you do. You claim Ireland leads the way on many innovative policies, should be pretty easy to back that claim up instead of deflecting with bullshit - surely if you're aware of these MANY innovative policies you could rattle off a few of the quality examples off the top of your head
The plastic bag levy would be one other I can think of, but wouldn't really consider that too major and was also long ago and not really innovative either as it's just the typical Irish mentality of taxing our way out of issues
agreed but i do think if a poster is known for turning up on a topic and starting with 100% incorrect nonsense from scratch -every single time- as if they haven't been set straight forty times before, they should see some stronger action against them
but im funny that way
did.....2010 through to literally this year just not happen or what?
I did a quick calculation on current costs of driving to work and what a person would save based on the distance from work and working 2 days at home
This is based on assumptions of 6l/100km and fuel at €2.10
30km Roundtrip saving of €7.50/week
40km Roundtrip saving of €10/week
50km Roundtrip saving of €12.50/week
60km Roundtrip saving of €15/week
70km Roundtrip saving of €17.50/week
80km Roundtrip saving of €20/week
90km Roundtrip saving of €22.5/week
100km Roundtrip saving of €25/week
I know not everyone drives to work and people use public transport/walk/cycle etc. but it gives an idea of the savings some people could make from WFH. I know people in the PS that can do there job from home 5 days a week and living long distances from the office. One person is passing a Municpal District Office 5 mins from home but has to drive a further 30 mins to work. This kind of stuff is madness no matter what the cost of fuel/cost of living.
The unwinding of FEMPI took way too long and the so called payrises(restoration!) equating to €5/6 per week every 9months were paltry.
They didn't need any “agreement" last time - they just called it "emergency financial measures" and did what they liked, then took 10 years to restore. 10 years of HRA hours as well, were contrary to employment law the extra hours worked by every civil and public servant were ignored not only for the purpose of pay, but towards annual leave calculations under the Working Time Act as well.
Enough. Not listening to this crap any more.
Can any civil or public servants on the thread agree to please ignore the usual anti civil and public sector posters who appear and invade every thread about C&PS conditions, please?
We all know who they are.
We heard the moaning of the unions that they did not cause the recession and so should not have had their pay cut. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say they did not cause covid or the war either. Are they suggesting that the pay should not be increased similarly?
Yep, time for your friendly reminder that the Luas drivers just about broke even with their pay increases after pro-longed strikes which saw them lose many days pay.
Careful what you wish for.
If the Government accede to a wage increase because of a sharp increase in the cost of living as a result of war/Covid related shortages, what are the prospects of the PS unions agreeing to a corresponding wage cut when inflation/cost of living drops?
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its you
Sure, I usually charge €100 an hour to do other people’s research for them, does that fee work for you?
I didn't suggest anything, actually.
That's a fair leap, they simply stated what could happen
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