How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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And lose pay while you're at it. Sounds like you're not too badly off suggesting to give up income during a period of spiraling costs.
Industrial action, presumably.
What exactly could happen in the medium to long term if talks were to fail?
'Many' - the smoking ban is a good example but happened a long time ago now, can you list a good few more then, and more recently?
@[Deleted User] Yeah I see what you mean there alright. Thanks
there isnt really because they are fundamentally very different but one is based on a multiple of your final salary (give or take) and the other the same multiple of your average salary over the forty years
the difference based on even that much should be apparent i think
i agree with loueze
ill take both, restoration of a ten year debt in both time and salary is not a bargaining chip and wfh is a separate item
@[Deleted User] you've mentioned the new pension a couple of times, is there anywhere that documents a simulation of how different the current pensions are to the previous pension scheme.
Not everyone WANTS the opportunity to WFH.
I'll take the payrise too thanks.
Not all PS get the chance to WFH or avail of Flexi, or get the opportunity to work 7 or 7.5 hrs.
So I'll take the payrise thanks.
@HartsHat I'd imagine it's something to do with the disproportionate impact on the cost of living those on lower salaries experience.
project management, engineering, accountancy and thats only from the remits i see myself in my last few gigs
basically if you've a few good years management experience in a professional stream and on the new pension, you're quite likely underpaid in current market
Why do you think lower grades should get a higher proportion of the pay rises?
@[Deleted User] when you say they are being poached, what sectors are you talking about? I know from personal experience ICT is one but what other industries are following suit?
go ask for one.
best of luck too.
id agree with this to an extent but ive also never seen middle/top management leaving for private sector before, not even during the last hammering of our conditions.
those on the new pension will not stick around theyre being poached by the big five like you wouldnt believe.
where on earth are you getting this 5% figure you absolute spoofer
Who do you think should negotiate politicians' pay?
Ireland has lead the way on many innovative policies, such as the smoking ban.
say for example someone on 50k gets 1% nominal "rise" in this environment after tax this works out at a generous 20 euro a month net or 250 annual "raise"
between the price of your oil tank refill increasing by 1000+ euro if we are lucky
your car refill say increased (10 euro per week) 500 per year again very conservative
your electic bill say increasing 20 per month est 250 per year
the average worker is conservately down net 1500 euro a year ignoring grocery price rises and all the other deaths by a thousand cuts out there ..
meanwhile businesses are piling on the price increases with zero to feck all rise in wage bill - many workers are working even harder than ever before for nothing extra
its amazing employees are not screaming for pay rises at this stage.. we are far too soft!!
time to look for one so, negotiate, accept, reskill, move jobs or be left behind..
6% pay rise but then through attrition I.e not filling vacancies from retirement/resignation etch cut the overall salary bill by 6%.
We also need a new wise person’s group to look at all the stupid regulation introduced in last few years e.g. minimum alcohol pricing, recommend reversing the legislation and disbanding the units involved.
I think you could be right. Employer raised prices for customers to vover extra costs but no raises for staff.
A lot i know have though, maybe get a new job or join the public?
I got no pay rise in the private sector
Civil and public servants are tax payers too.
TD pay is subject to the same pay increases/decreases as other public servants.
Ministers pay is not, AFAIK.
Are politicians negotiating their own pay? I.e does this agreement apply to politicians too?
I can see a bit of "outside the box" solutions. Hour less a week or something..
They can't give too big a pay rise or else the tax payer will not be happy.
The Irish government never lead with anything so they'll copy other countries. What are other countries doing?
employers need to improve terms and conditions anyway or many workers will walk.. it is an employee market in many sectors out there at the moment..
Hrs are reinstated , flexi is back, 40% more attendance. I need more money so im.not aggreeing with this
For sure. Id be happy to forgo my pay rise for them to get more and me to get better conditions in terms of WFH and Flexi etc.
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