I read on CNN that the US and European leaders are meeting regularly, discussing among other issues how the conflict might be brought to an end. I see also where Biden stated that the question of whether Ukraine cedes any territory is a question for them to decide. those statements plus Macron's point to increased pressure to declare a ceasefire. despite the anxiety of western nations to defeat Russia comprehensively, other economic and political issue that have arisen, indicate a ceasefire being declared within the next few weeks.
The U.S. have been pretty consistent on the idea of Ukraine deciding what's best for themselves, whether it's fighting on or surrendering territory. It's not a sentiment that has only bubbled up in the last week which would be therefore indicative of a weakening Western resolve to support Ukraine.
Macron's statement about Russia must not be humiliated - no right thinking person could interpret a humiliation for Russia as having to cede ground which they illegally sit on. If the West in some way brokers a peace between Ukraine and Russia that allows Russia to hold the lands they currently occupy and be brought to no account for the genocide they have been perpetrating (which would be at least an order of magnitude worse than anything Russia could accuse Ukraine of in the Donbas in 2014-2022), millions of people either missing or displaced, entire cities pounded to rubble, then those actions would gain legitimacy. They would.... work, to put it simply. And if Russia knows that the West cannot withstand economic hardship to the same extent that Russia can, and that it's not willing to directly confront Russia militarily, then Russia's laughing. It can just load up those artillery pieces and grind its way across eastern Europe.
The Estonian situation is fascinating to watch - rumoured that there are many (closet) Putin shills and fanboys in the parliament who are working on his behalf and that these guys would love to take over the running of the country in order to do their master's bidding. Looks like Kaja is on to them though and prepared to bring things to a head.
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2022/06/04/ukraine-has-become-a-sacred-cause-beyond-the-bounds-of-compromise/
Two pieces in the Irish Times to-day by Paul Gillespie and Gerard Toal. Both condemn the Russian invasion (of course!), both come out in favour of some sort of compromise with Russia. How far they are prepared to appease the gangster state is unclear, but I suppose one could expect little else from the sneaking regarders of the Irish Times.
But its not just articles in the irish times. Similar sentiments are being expressed in various news outlets over the last few days. Coincidence, or accepting a reality that an extended conflict will result in enormous economic, political and socials cost to Europe in particular.
I think you miss my point. I'm quite aware that "it's not just articles in the Irish Times": you can find similar articles elsewhere. It's that the Irish Times will predictably try to make us see that there are "two sides" to this conflict, almost to the point of moral equivalence.
How the eff do you get such details of troops equipment losses etc….?
It’s ironic that the enforcer on this thread rules with an iron fist and closed eyes.
Problem with France is the same as in Sweden and Germany
They have enough with their internal problems due to high immigration,and now it really shows what side the immigrants are really on.
Sweden’s prime minister may next week have to put her fate in the hands of a Kurdish-born lawmaker who has drawn the ire of Turkey, just as the Nordic country is seeking to overcome the veto of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan to its bid for membership of the NATO defense bloc.
Nonsense this egomaniac and the stoolpigeon that runs Germany are the finest example of European values you'll see. Of course, European values mean looking after German and French interests no matter what but we should feel a warm glow in our chests to know that we're good Euopeans who stand for decency, rights, puppies and all whatever other PR guff you're having yourself 🤣
On Turkey obstructing Sweden from becomeing NATO members I think it has little to do with Kurdish immigrants in Sweden + Sweden's policies.
Turkey is basically a Western "ally" on paper that had not fully exposed that to all before this Ukraine war. As well as blocking NATO expansion, they are doing nothing whatsoever to help against Russia that costs them, their companies are going shopping in Russia trying to pick up some Western assets on the cheap.
Another somewhat odd news story involving Turkey I noticed while searching for above example:
They sell drones to Ukraine because it harms Russia and that is a traditional rival they can safely give a good kick to while it is occupied + they also get the arms sales earnings out of it, and thoroughly test their weapons in a real war at 0 risk. It has nothing whatsoever to do with their NATO membership, or supporting Ukraine (IMO).
Some Eastern EU members rushing to buy Turkish drones to give to Ukraine etc. is somewhat ironic as well (IMO) given their complaints about France + Germany...They are helping to undermine collective EU security in the south, but I suppose there's a higher temporary goal for them and Turkey is a very long way away and unlike Russia, it doesn't come out with the aggressive + irredentist rhetoric about them (out of sight out of mind...!).
was the 💩-tin appearance you refer not after the ‘special military operation’ commenced…?
Yeah, it was after the Russians went in fully. It was also after rumours had started to swirl about Putin not having been seen in person for weeks and mockery of his absurdly long tables. I think he wanted to try and prove that he was halfway human.
'brotherhood'? Freemasons?
Not really
The real reason for Russia's illegal invasion of Ukraine. The Russification of the entire country
"There should be one Ukraine -ours in its entitity"
There should be one Ukraine -ours in its entitity"
That ideology certainly doesn't bode well for any of the former Soviet block countries.
Look, we'll just have to giver portions of Estonia to Russia if they want it. Finland, too. We wouldn't want to upset Putin, make him feel like Russia's being humiliated or diminish our own standard of living whatsoever. Let's all just give him what he wants and maybe he'll spare the rest of us.
Why not give him Bavaria, Kissinger's home place? Even Scholz might agree.
You come for news! Give me a break all you do is here is post up tweets from other people, copy paste definitions, jump to conclusions and call other users racists, fascist’s and nazis without provocation or any clue what those terms mean, simply because a post appears to clash with your lazy and one dimensional view of things.
instead of getting faux outraged and lashing out like a rabied dog consult a history book and go beyond tweeter and telegram for information. I posted a link to a podcast a few pages back, senator Tom Clonan is the guest, you do well to listen to it.
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Worth a try. Give him Kissinger as well while we're at it.
Might have been I don’t really remember.
Point to a post we’re I’ve defended Putin or justified this war. You won’t because you can’t
I think you're misreading the word mistake as if its somehow downplaying it. It is a mistake what Putin has done. A grave and woeful one, but a mistake nonetheless. He needs to spend the rest of his days (what he has left anyway) in prison for it.
And also I am a firm believer that they cannot be humiliated beyond being humiliated militarily in this war. Punished and held accountable? Yes, but humiliated no.
Unless you want to spend the next 60 years worrying what several generations of bitter Russians are going to do, I mean from young to old, who are being mistreated on international level for something their parents or even grandparents did, then you'd want to get on board with the notion that once this war is over, diplomatic ties need to be rebuilt.
Honestly ,Macron has always been into this , he's a believer in "spheres of influence", and that larger powers have the right to dictate to smaller neighbours,
His view is that Frances "needs " and security outweigh it's smaller neighbours..
So Russia is quite right to dictate to Ukraine how to behave , who it should align with ,what it's security partnerships can be ,
And that's why the Eastern Europeans will never ditch a US led NATO - for a European defence and foreign policy ..NATO first ..
I don't get his constant harping on about not humiliating Putin - that's happening anyway - and ultimately that's the only thing that'll protect Ukraine and allow it to be secure ,get investment and recover ..
Macron doesn't see Ukraine as part of the eu at all ..
??? ---> A whole Russian army has been destroyed at Izyum – Ukraine news (nv.ua)
Posted already. I think there's supposedly to be only 100 of them left of the 35th combined arms army.
Firstly, putin will never spend time behind bars. None!
And I firmly believe Russia needs to be militarily humiliated. This warped belief in 'Mother Russia' and how it has behaved in the international community has been fed by decades of western worries of not humiliating Russia. The whole world has tiptoed around them, given them every opportunity to be among the grown ups, and what has that given us?
It has given us poisonings and murders around europe, invasions of their neighbors. What else do people want them to do. Do you feel that somehow their attitude is gonna change? It's **** baffling that people still feel they should be shown compassion.
Who was it that said the definition of stupid is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result?
How many chances should they be given? How many people do they have to kill? How many children have to raped? How many people have to be forcibly deported to places thousands of miles from home?
Will it take the rape and murder of your wife and kids?
We tell our kids to stand up to bullies as they grow up, because if they don't then the bullies will always come back. But now as adults we cower when the bully corners us.
It's **** shameful how some people are behaving during this period.
You will not get reliable or informed or accurate information on "The real reasons for Russia invasion" on fox news type channels in Russia?
You won't get reliable or informed or accurate information from Western politician's either.
You won't get it from alot of Western media that push the "mad man with weeks to live' narrative
Credible resources need to be found, here's one
This foreign policy researcher Rob Lee, a Senior Fellow in the Foreign Policy Research Institute's Eurasia Program outlined the Russia reasons for the invasion in considerable detail
It is very informative and gives an almost uncanny assessment of exactly what actually transpires a month before the invasion. The article was written in January 18
Worth a read
https://www.fpri.org/article/2022/01/moscows-compellence-strategy/
Here is this Twitter account
https://mobile.twitter.com/RALee85
100 left out of?
Ive seen suggestions that 35th CAA was made up of around 70k men when this started in March.
The cost of bullet proof clothing has gone through the roof....😂
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