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Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,416 ✭✭✭airy fairy


    At the very least.

    Even an adult with a child, getting €1k per month from the state, paying no expenses, should be contributing substantially towards utility bills and food.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,416 ✭✭✭airy fairy


    That aside, you think it's ok for an adult and child, getting €1k social welfare every month, or working and getting more, should be allowed pocket that money? Surely their money, be it sw or earnings should be contributed towards the economy?



  • Posts: 9,106 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    No matter how many people they take in!

    I think that’s an important element to highlight considering the government agencies over the last few days voiced concerns about the charity in Mayo bringing over children without mothers from Ukraine- try housing a mother and her few kids in a family home for 400 euro per month for the next 18 months or more - for most, not a viable proposition



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,232 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Well how about in time 300 from the government and 100 from their kitty… ?



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 78,543 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    I don't think an adult and child will be getting anything approaching €1k per week

    In my case it's a whole house offer. I'm not going to be buying food. I've put 600 litres into the oil tank. I'm paying the electricity for now. Before this €400 came into the equation (and that's how much I get whether there are 1, 3, 5. 15 or more in the house, which could easily accommodate 15) I would not be expecting to pay electricity, broadband and then like.

    If we had a number in employment yes it's very reasonable that contributions to overheads would be appropriate. At this stage though I have no idea of the financial position of people that may come into our house may be. Having said that we are in a position where we do not need the €400. We do not at this stage need to sell the place. That may change if things go on for a number of years



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  • Posts: 9,106 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    We’re heading that way anyway- from one crisis to the next- it all adds up- but I wouldn’t be so blaze about upping our National debt just because there’s a humanitarian crisis- we need to look at this globally and big picture - today Ukraine- In not many years time, Africa will arrive on the continent of Europe because it will be uninhabitable - it’s the start of the beginning of something that will get much worse- it will mount up to a trillion in your lifetime and mine too. What then?


    Where do we shout “stop”?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,416 ✭✭✭airy fairy


    Apologies, it was meant to read €1k per month. €206 SW per week per adult, €140 per month or thereabouts for children's allowance. They will get €250 for back to school for ages 4 and up, so that's covered too.

    Surely, in your situation, you should not be paying utility bills when they are getting welfare? And I think any decent person staying for free should be contributing without being asked. If anything, it sets them up for their time here as being entitled. And it doesn't have to be about affording it or not, it's the act of contributing and not taking all the time.



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 78,543 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    We would need to understand their circumstances. That could be financial, medical, and any specific needs. Our place could end up with a couple of grandparents, 3 or 4 daughters and another 7 or 8 kids. We had someone lined up last week who had a car. They actually sourced alternative accommodation privately and maybe they did have access to finance. Next week it could be someone who has physical and/or mental issues. There may be ways we can help beyond the house itself. At this stage I have no idea though. What we have emphasised is the scope for this property to house a very large extended family or group of friends. It may be a case of giving them some support initially to allow them to find their feet. We may end up with people who have managed to avoid any direct involvement in the invasion. The advantage is we can be quite flexible on a number of fronts. Currently it's all with the Peter McVerry Trust to identify a family or families who can make best use of the place.



  • Posts: 9,106 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There’s posters like Beasty on this thread doing tremendous contributions to housing Ukrainians in need right now- so I don’t want to take away from those efforts and contributions because they are indeed, outstanding.

    There are approx 26,000 millionaires in Ireland according to a national newspaper article over the last few years- not the recent article on how 300k + in Ireland were “worth” over 1 million -but actual millionaires.

    So we’re not short on personal wealth- but how long can we rely on people like Beasty to “fill an oil tank” and “donate a house” ?

    For most in Ireland, we’re just a few wage packets away from a street riot- we saw that at the start of COVID-19 - we really need to rethink how we prepare for systemic breakdown in our economy but firstly, we need to hold our government to account on this- they’re stumbling their way through this crisis and this will not be the biggest crisis in the next 10 years _ it’s just going to get worse.

    I applaud Beasty and people like them, and their efforts, but they’re helping paper over the very large cracks in our economy and our future, and the government is encouraging them to do this- that’s not fair on Beasty and others.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,455 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    I agree with you about volunteers painting over the cracks .There are groups of volunteers in every county furiously trying to organise help for the refugees .Some arrived into hotels with nothing ,no change of underwear , no nappies , no medications, no insulin, no baby feed, no buggies etc .They are lumped into hotels and halls with no support and only for volunteers these people are being left to fend for themselves .In my opinion the Government knew full well that they ordinary people would fill this gap and cost them nothing and are now actively allowing this to continue . And continue it will because ordinary people are well aware that our Government will stand back while you and I will fill that huge hole .



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  • Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    What makes you think that the refugees will take all low paid menial jobs? A lot of them are highly educated accountants, pharmacists, nurses, etc.

    Medical cards, especially, will be reviewed after 6 months and then most won’t be entitled to one. It’s an emergency, temporary measure.

    The living arrangements of most refugees are not very attractive. Mothers and up to 4 children sharing one bedroom, using bathroom down the corridor, shared with numerous other families, shared kitchen and living rooms with numerous other families.

    Yet, people begrudge them their safe refuge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Seeing a warzone can cause PTSD, so can being the victim of sexual abuse.

    Both and more are sadly happening at the moment.


    Denisova alleged that an 11-year-old boy was raped by Russians in front of his mother who was tied to a chair and forced to watch as it happened in the Ukrainian city of Bucha.

    "The level of brutality of the army of terrorists and executioners of the Russian Federation knows no bounds - raped children...," wrote Denisova, who has been appointed by the Ukrainian parliament to monitor human rights abuses.

    Also in Bucha, Denisova wrote, a 14-year-old girl became pregnant after she was allegedly raped by five Russian soldiers, and a 20-year-old woman was raped by three Russians "in all possible ways at once" in the city of Irpen

    Beyond grim.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, and I doubt you do either.

    The directive was absorbed into our statue.

    So please in clarity with some anchor to reality please tell me how we could have opted out of it?



  • Posts: 1,175 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Based on this guy’s post, shouldn’t this guy be in Ukraine or has martial law finished?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    The decree doesn't compel people to return.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,455 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    Super disciplined, responsible and very, very cowardly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    I wouldn't hold it against any man for not wanting to give away his life for what is essentially an American proxy war.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Stark difference between an internet warrior and an actual one.

    No doubt you'd be first unto the breach dear friend.

    😕



  • Posts: 3,686 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    don't be naïve. He is a fit, professional, 26 year old personal trainer. What circumstances would prevent him staying to fight for his country? Certainly not his heath, his fitness or his age?

    Meanwhile Ukranian husbands and fathers who had been living in Ireland for 20 years returned home to defend their country.... some even got killed. https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40846133.html



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,359 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    Dont think id return from anywhere top fight in Ireland if Ireland were invaded.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    If my country was under attack, then yes. If not me and others like me, then who??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭Nermal


    It's not that complicated. We could have voted against triggering it.



  • Posts: 1,175 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I’d like to know though and I won’t apologise for it.

    Did they travel directly from Ukraine to Ireland (allowing for crossing into bordering countries)? Was he working elsewhere and has travelled here from there? His post raises questions.



  • Posts: 1,175 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    But would that make you a refugee or an asylum seeker?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,455 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    I see your point in fairness and if I were to help house him I would probably ask the same questions .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,002 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay



    Can you post the source for this or where did you come across that post?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    How would anyone on here possibly know?

    Why don't you ask him?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    From his facebook he lived and worked in Kharkiv, and is single.



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