It's all falling apart alarmingly fast for Boris Johnson across the water. How long you reckon he has left as British Prime Minister? Hours surely?
How many parties are they talking about now? I've lost count.
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Yeah I suppose it is.
I suspect the news about the economy being about to shrink which was published yesterday evening was not published earlier because it didn't suit the government. If it were great news, I suspect it would have been pushed out earlier, by hook or by crook.
Too late now all the votes are in.
Police are going to Investigate Starmer for having a beer. What spectacularly convenient timing that this should happen now and then be forgotten about once the damage is done. The police need to be gutted over there as it's obvious they are as crooked as their masters.
The poorer areas "get the best stuff" comes from them having more libraries and community centres and things like that because council funding has to go to those areas because they are needed and also leads to higher council tax in poorer areas. Many don't need those in rich areas cause they can afford loads of books and a yacht club membership.
The real big losers are poor people in a rich area who need those facilities but are stuck with tight Tory councils.
Most notably was the Grenfell fire where the council had refunded only the high band tax payers because they had money left over. They had money left over at the same time they were knowingly buying cheap inferior cladding.
Yeahnits a bit wild. Wealthy councils get more and poorer councils get less. The bulk of local spending goes on old people's care.
My FIL grew up in a deprived area and he always said thst the poorer areas got the best stuff. And he's right thst used to be the case, but it's really not true now. "Deprivation" used to be a big factor in the equation to work out council funding. But it keeps being reduced in importance innthe equation to the point that wealthier areas now get more per person than poor areas. Plus old people's spending comes off the top the rest have to make do with whatever is left. This isn't all the Tories doing as it started under Blair, but a decade of Tory rule and austerity has really accelerated it.
This is probably a rant for another thread though.
Can't remember what mine was in Southwark but i'de say it was around the 2k mark.
Council tax is a great system if you are in a council that spends it on amenities but the disparity between councils in that regard is so unfair.
His grip on the parliamentary wing of the party has very much been weaken. He wasn't able to whip them into voting to stop the Evgeny Lebedev dossier being released and more significantly he couldn't get enough of them to block the vote on the Commons privileges committee investigation. In many respects he is a lame duck. Tories have a majority on the privileges committee but they are very much aware that everybody knows he lied to the Commons. It would be very damaging for the party and those Tory MP's on the committee if they try to let him off. I'm still fairly confident that he won't survive the further fines coming his way, the Sue Gray report being released and this investigation.
Band B council tax (second cheapest) in Gateshead is over £1700 this year.
Band D is over £2200.
His grip on the parliamentary party is based solely on his ability to guarantee their seats. If that appears fallible then expect them to feel more inclined to act independently. You are correct though in that he has thus far managed to keep them in line.
Well their former leader did exactly that a while back.
wow almost £2k a year is some wedge, didnt think it would be that high outside London
I think it still can sink him but what could save him is the lack of a viable alternative. Two months ago it was Sunak but now he is under more questioning about his wife and Infosys still operating in Russia. It hasnt been a good couple of months for him.
I dunno, the grassroots councilor levels are already pointing the finger squarely at Johnson and are absoilutely correct to do so, but his grip on the parliamentary wing of the party seems to never weaken and until he loses that he is going nowhere.
If I was one of the Scottish Tory MPs I would be screaming loudly for Johnson to go. Scottish Tories already today are trying to deflect blame on to him and I can see them trying to play up on being a group apart for the next while.
It absolutely can. This is the best proxy we've got for a general election. The question is whether or not the party can summon the courage to get rid of him.
Question still remains; can this sink Boris, or more to the point will the Tories use this as a handy excuse to jettison him? If they let this linger too long they'll yet again lose their chance, and he'll stick around. Which likely will wreck their image more between now and a General Election.
It would probably be explained through the demographics of those who actually vote. Poor, working people are less likely to vote and old, retired people are more likely to vote.
If poor, working people voted, things would change. But old people are getting older and lihibgnlonger and voting more times as old people. Tragic, really.
Those numbers make no sense. How can all the increases be under 3% yet the overall increase is 3.2%? Or do they hide more of the increase with that asterisk?
Below is the 2020 bill when the local council was Labour/Indy. They got voted out in 2021 for the Cons (mainly due to the Marmite leader - good policies imo but terrible terrible social media presence). It's gone up each year since, we're at £1998 now but as you can see, the bulk of that goes to the County Council which is notoriously Con and I've no idea how/when they get voted for.
Tory councils do usually have lower council tax....
...and NO services worth mentioning as a result. Education, libraries, parks, cleaning/waste removal, housing etc all thrown away to give the Tory voters a hundred quid a year more.
Just out of interest how much is your council tax? And would it go up under a Labour council or is that just a Tory trope Ive been hearing a lot the last few days?
And there lies the mystery of the Basildon Borough. There are 3 distinct area/towns, Billericay, Wickford and Basildon itself. I can see Billericay and a good chunk of Wickford conforming to your description above but Basildon is downright deprived, a seriously high amount of council homes. Why they're voting Con is beyond me. In saying that I did see turn-outs of ~20% so it doesn't take a lot of votes to swing it.
Southwark still solid red in my personal history map. I assume Lambeth and Lewisham will be the same.
Delighted for my friends in Wandsworth though.
Its Essex. The newly wealthy population there were convinced en masse by Thatcher era politics that ladder-pulling is a good thing.
And once again in my UK voting history I'm nowhere near a win. Basildon council remains Con at a canter. Shocking turn-out too. I don't understand these people.
The "could lose 800 seats" thing was also a blatant attempt to frame 400 as being some valiant performance.
Well there is also clearly a big Tory/Labour swing too it's just that some people take all the reports of Tory's losing 400 seats to mean Labour will gain 400 so now see Labour as having failed which is just untrue.
Yeah fair enough. It really shows thslat the Tories are the only part that can form a government on their own. Whennrheynlose voters, they don't go Labour. Between thst and Labour losing almost all 50ish seats in Scotland, they're likely to need the SNP, Lib Dems or both to form a government. And that's if they can stop the Tories getting an outright majority.
The English are just predisposed to tolerate toffs being in charge and being corrupt. They wouldn't put up with it from Labour as they see them as being more like themselves. "Born to rule, arzeholes" sounds like a pejorative but it's actually the Tories best weapon.
Tory votes always go to Lib Dems rather than Labour.
The Lib Dems are basically Tories you can vote for and keep your conscience which is why during any Tory collapse the likes of West London and the Lake District go Lib Dem. The people there like to think they are moral people but also very much believe "why should I give away my hard earned money" so will never vote for Labour.
Yeah I am repeating myself. And so are you. We've stated our positions then.
Yeah that makes sense. It's a pretty clever way to spin it. Labour failing to gather up most of the seats lost by Tories is a bit disappointing for them though. Greens and lib dems will be happy.
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