Dummy opening post
How would physically having the camera prove of disprove any of this?
Someone saying that they seen something happen is obviously what you would use. Then cross examine the other account and make a decision based on that. This happens outside of court too, what do you think a detective does?
the 'in any walk of life' is doing some weird heavy lifting there, because a statement in the context we're talking about here is a very specific use of the word. a statement made to a garda is a legal document, and making a false statement is a criminal offence punishable with jail time.
Another day another dope I'm not sure how I could have taken more of the lane https://streamable.com/hmgiqc not only was the pass here completely pointless had they waited 5 seconds the road was wide enough to pass they then turned into an estate so were almost home!
the motorist in question either did that deliberately, and deserved more than the punishment received, or managed to cross the white line *accidentally* with oncoming traffic, and deserved more than the punishment received.
You're not the first person I've seen get passed like that there. It's such a large junction they could have easily went wide so they had a straighter entry into the lane.
If that was a car dashcam filming he likely have lost a wing mirror. As the guy in the video mentioned if he hadn't crossed the line it wouldn't have been prosecuted.
If that was deliberate which I think it was, what was the objective? ah I'll show these cyclists and give them a scare? Yeah all fun and games till you clip one and someone is dead. It's unbelievable how dehumanised we have become in the eyes of some.
It happens
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/09/27/cyclists-ran-over-pickup-truck-texas/5885828001/
I genuinely don’t think it was deliberate, it looks like they just have really shíte awareness of their position in the road, it looks like they follow the same sort of line the whole way through the road, as if they’re afraid of the bush on their passenger side. Which is sort of terrifying
Video is too short to be sure but they drift out at the right time for it to be intetnional. Either way though, it is either intentional or sh1t driving, both imply they should not be driving for very different reasons.
random question - does a video like that automatically become public domain if used in a court case? i.e. should and does all evidence become publically accessible in the 'justice being seen to be done' sense?
It's a shocking layout for a reasonably new junction zero provision for bikes turning right and the markings are very faded.
I must be invisible this week not the worst pass, but terrible driving and zero room for error all to get to the queue at the bottom of the slip 2 seconds sooner. I bet she came from lane three too https://streamable.com/jtpvxy
Any advice on how to shake the “fear” when going out? Few reasons I’m reluctant to cycle.
One being that I’ve had occasional close passes. These scare the bejaysus out of me. Also because I’m sensitive to sudden loud noises so unnecessary horn beeping or aggression upsets me.
There’s a serious uphill stretch going out of town in both directions. I struggle up this hill. I take the lane here to avoid being passed too closely but I’m concerned about holding up traffic. I never mind when I’m the driver and cyclists are taking assertive positions because I understand why and overtake when safe. Not everyone follows this. This uphill stretch is also on a bend. So maniacs will belt around it blindly.
Is it selfish to take the middle off the lane at all times? Overtaking is not always possible without squeezing by me if I cycled in the gutter so I cycle out to prevent this. I don’t want to be a hindrance as I’m only a fair day hobby cyclist. I’m only cycling to the park to walk / feed the birds or excercise in lieu of wasting money in a gym.
Thanks folks.
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Usual MGIF.
Sound off because i used a naughty word.
I think that's a very common fear, especially for someone starting out. I've found the best way to get more confident on the bike is to keep at it and build up slowly.
If you have access to a car you could think about driving to somewhere quieter / easier until you get your confidence and fitness up. You'll be flying up that hill in no time!
In terms to taking the lane, do what makes you feel safe. No-one should be overtaking you unless it's safe to do so, and if someone can't overtake a slow moving cyclist they shouldn't be driving. When I'm out on the bike I will pull in to the left to make it easier for cars to get past, but only if it's safe. If I'm not comfortable then I'll take the lane, no question.
Bad form by the driver but technically doing nothing wrong.
They had overtaken you and then you tried to pass on the left while they were indicating left and turning which puts you in the wrong.
Apt username if you think that is an acceptable way to drive.
Yeah but no. If the car had been ahead for a reasonable amount of time, yep. In this scenario the car had literally overtaken immediately before the turn. It would be reasonable to accept that the car could not or should not be able to complete the turn before the cyclist got there. There are several laws broken by the driver, if you go through this and the law thread you'll actually find the legal terms if you require but as a general note, technically and ethically, it was not ok.
They changed lane when it was unsafe to do , they braked, if they did it to you (or me) while driving , and you had to brake to avoid a collision you would consider it unsafe.
You cant cut across another vehicle ,to take a left turn.
They actually started changing lane before they overtook me.
The worst thing about left hooks is the fact every driver knows your there as they have to pass you in the process. I don't think it's ever a genuine mistake.
nothing to do with bad form, just technically wrong.
As far as I'm aware, there's nothing in the law about being ahead for a "reasonable amount of time". The fact is that the car was in the lane and indicating to turn left and the cyclist attempted to undertake it. So they were either unaware of the law or unaware that the car was indicating ; either way, not a good look.
Earlier illegal manoeuvres by the car are exactly that - illegal - but two wrongs don't make a right
Absolutely. But that still doesn't entitle you to undertake on the left
i don't see an attempt to pass on the left.
anyway, a car driver should not pass another vehicle like that if they're intending to turn left in short order. that's basic stuff.
You think it's acceptable to overtake someone in a way that causes them to brake? Is that how you were taught to drive? Or are you one of the many Irish that never really learned in the first place?
I did not attempt undertake , they cut across me braked and turned . Do think thats acceptable and do it to other vehicles?
No, like I said, it was poor driving.
Equally though, after that dangerous move on their part, it was poor cycling on your part to not be aware that they were turning when they passed and had their indicator on.
I'll leave it at that
How do you know they weren't aware? They braked in time?
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