It's all falling apart alarmingly fast for Boris Johnson across the water. How long you reckon he has left as British Prime Minister? Hours surely?
How many parties are they talking about now? I've lost count.
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Well he is somehow insisting he didn't realise that until the police pointed it out so that gets him off the hook for lying to parliament. Very hard to prove beyond reasonable doubt that someone knowingly lied
The report won't force Johnson to resign but if it's sufficiently damaging it might prompt his overthrow by his party.
It was illegal to have any sort of gathering whatsoever not just a party. Even being in a room for a non essential cake was illegal. It doesn't matter if the cake was eaten or cut or whatever it was illegal. Any gathering of that size was illegal and everyone knew that nevermind the guy who made the rule
Yeah this is it. He's insisting he didn't know he was at any parties at the time. That would be consistent with what he said to parliament but it would also mean he's incredibly stupid. So he's playing dumb. Neither his supporters or detractors will believe him, but he's out of the position of needing to resign for lying to parliament. That rule relies on the politicians having some shred of decency and caring about the convention of parliament above their own self interest. Lying to get out of it is easy if you have no sense of decency or shame.
Bottom line: he's safe again.
Well his claim re the birthday 'party' at any rate is that it never occurred to him at the time that it was against the law so when stood up in parliament and insisted no rules were broken I suppose he can maintain he believed that when he was saying it...
The convention in Parliament is that a minister who knowingly lies to Parliament should resign
Johnson, in breaching this convention should see a parade of parliamentarians breaking that other convention and accusing him openly of lying, one after another and dare Lindsey Hoyle to enforce one convention or the other
There's a significant difference in that it's now pretty clear he knowingly and repeatedly lied to Parliament. That's a breach of the Ministerial Code, and the minister or prime minister is expected to resign their position if found to have lied to Parliament.
The laws the PM broke were also laws he made, imposing huge restrictions on the people of the country. People lost the chance to be with dying loved ones, missed out on huge family events, postponed weddings, didn't see family for months. The idea that he then broke those rules for small parties is going to be hugely unpalatable for most. He pays a small fine, but facing no political consequences for it is going to cause a lot of resentment and with current or possible future Covid restrictions, is going to lead to a lot of people asking themselves why should they bother following the law when the guy who made the law didn't.
That's really not comparable: old people were effectively kept prisoners without family visits, women gave birth without family or partners, sometimes suffered miscarriages alone, people died alone, were buried alone - all because this was supposedly so important to save lives. Nothing like a minor speeding fine.
Nonsense. This was a once in 100 years pandemic where the entire country shut down.
I suppose next you will remind us there is a war on.
Not next week, I think - no new civil service reports in the period before the elections. SO it will be after that.
Johnson must have sold his soul to the devil, to have this much luck in escaping the consequences of his deeds. The war in Ukraine being only one of the most noticeable ways.
Nonsense, would you say the same if he got a speeding fine?
Well he did discuss the incident in his speech...
Damn, just realised there's no PMQs today. Not back until next week.
"I paid the fine" as if to him, a £50 fine is any penalty at all, even more so for Sunak
The British need to look at Johnson and Zelenski side by side and wonder if they might have gotten short changed in the leadership department
Unfortunately it's the same as what's happening in the US. So many of the "checks & balances" require on people following accepted norms and unwritten rules. But when someone just says "No" to those, there's nothing in place to force it. And once it's made clear that you can do that and get away with it, the next person will be inclined to push those limits even more.
The Uk might as well give up on the rule of law if he’s allowed to stay.
He was never going to resign under any circumstances. It has to be a push but there are few left with any credibility who can push him.
The elections in May are the next big possible turning point. If they are not willing to shove him after a disaster there then he probably makes it all the way to an election.
Still in power and "gotten away with it" are two very different things.
If he's not resigning after literally being fined by the police for breaking the law, he's not going to resign after a report saying he broke the law.
The time for him to resign has now passed. The fine has been issued, everyone knows he literally broke the law, and he knows there's not enough support for a motion of no-confidence to remove him (especially how tainted some of his possible successors are now too).
He's staying. He got away with it. It's absolutely f*cking disgusting, but I can't see him going now.
There doesn't appear to be any appetite from the Tories to try to force him out. He isn't going to go unless forced to.
Despite having such a large majority, and thus being able to handle a change of leader, the opposite seems to have happened. Such a large majority has actually crippled the Tory party as they believe that only Johnson can deliver electoral success.
That without Johnson, they face electoral wipeout. Doesn't say much about the party and what it offers, but that seems to be the case.
They have all backed him so much at this stage that its almost too late to save themselves
Well the report comes out next week, so no.
Seems like the delay in Sunak's apology was likely down to him having to be convinced not to resign, as it would have put too much pressure on Johnson to have to do the same thing.
The story is already over....the snake has slithered away again.
So the big sesh monster Sunak has finally broken silence with a "heartfelt" apology.
He’s a gonner imo.
So is it a transplant that went really, really well? Or really, really badly?
I believe Fabricant admits to a transplant, but not to a wig.
Which is probably true. I mean, if you were going to buy a wig, would you buy that wig?
Indeed
Time for old Bortis Johnson to go. I have no idea who will replace him do. Put as long as it's not that hideous nasty Micheal Gove chap I don't care.
Still not a Peep out of Richie Sunak, perhaps he doesn't see the need to apologise 🤔, I'm guessing he's going. I think Boris was Clever to apologise immediately, he seems to getting "Reluctant" support from Tory MP"s, can't see him being pushed, Putin's actions we're a blessing for him him as distasteful as that is.
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