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Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 665 ✭✭✭goldenmick


    Who gives a shite about language barriers, rent allowance, pet problems and the rest of the crap some of you bleat about. These issues can be dealt with as and when. These people have nothing, absolutely nothing. Almost all are women and children and a good percentage of them have lost not only their homes but also mothers, fathers, grandparents, husbands, sons, daughters and all their friends and supporting networks. They've had their whole world uprooted and also been traumatised by sights you'll likely never see in your lifetime. And they are utterly exhausted. The vast majority will return to their own country once the war is over and it's safe to do so.

    I see we've got a similar handful of heartless, spineless, I'm alright Jack, sod you types on here as in the Russia thread... those who advocate not putting boots on the ground in the Ukraine because their own self preservation against the ultra slim risk of nuclear confrontation, far outweighs letting Putin's army continue to butcher thousands of civilians and rape little girls in front of their mothers, then kill them and drive tanks over their dead bodies.

    Really. If a fraction of what's happened to these poor souls happened to you or your family, you would automatically expect similar help from others, including other countries if you were made a refugee. It's called being humane, and it's decency in its simplest form.

    Even the title of this thread makes me sick..."Some Irish families 'unable to cope' with housing Ukranian refugees"

    Who the f*ck is FORCING anyone to house refugees. You do have a choice.

    I'm ashamed to even share the same breathing space as some of you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,546 ✭✭✭Luxembourgo


    No glee here. The people who took them in had good intentions, for whatever reason it hadn't worked out.

    Paddy Cosgrave really is dispicable



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,283 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12



    "Will homeowners receive financial support?

    The accommodation can be provided on a charitable basis, or the homeowner can request to receive the housing assistance payment (Hap), according to the Irish Red Cross. Hap is a payment from local authorities to landlords letting to tenants who receive social housing support, to cover a portion or all of the rent.

    Refugees will be entitled to social welfare so may be able to contribute towards electricity and gas bills, an Irish Red Cross spokesman said."

    HAP will play a large part in the housing of refugees. Personally I don't have a problem with this. I'm hopeful that many of the refugees will fill the jobs that employers haven't been able to fill, especially in the hospitality industry



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,565 ✭✭✭apache


    Hopefully compassion will deter rabies. I'm all for them bringing over their pets but there are supposed to be rules for a reason. Are they getting any sort of vet check?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,565 ✭✭✭apache


    Oh right so they are getting proper vet checked.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,079 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    No I absolutely understand what a pledge means and in the context of this crisis, I also understand what sensible, & practical means.

    You clearly don't understand how HAP works and I'll say again, is not an option in these circumstances, unless of course government change the Rules.

    I'm not aware of any plans government has to pay home owners rent, perhaps you could enlighten me.

    There's been an awful lot of mentioning, promises , assumptions , here say and zero substance. Simon Coveney admitted just a few days ago that people might have to stay in tents for maybe 24/48 hours .

    Let's be Frank here.

    Government went head first into all sorts of promises with absolutely no infrastructure in place, they somehow forgot about an existing housing crisis not to mention the shocking state of health care.

    I won't get started on the two tier and benefits system introduced over night but will say the hypocrisy is astounding. Spare at thought for those in Direct provision for years and essentially ignored by the state, its disgraceful.

    I say Welcome anyone needing help but my god, have a plan and more importantly treat everyone equally .

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,565 ✭✭✭apache


    Rules are there for a reason. You have to be careful with things like rabies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,079 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Yes but there's still a concern as documentation rules relaxed and there's no quarantine being enforced , basically cart before the horse approach , I don't know how long it's actually taking to see pets but again, another after thought by government.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,565 ✭✭✭apache




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,079 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Precisely. I'm genuinely impressed at the obvious care Ukranians show towards their pets , I love animals but it was clear from the outset 100"s of animals , maybe more were going to be entering the country and little preparation in place for this influx. Its possible many of these pets were vaccinated but it's proving it that's difficult as this paper work nit a priority when their owners fleeing.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,264 ✭✭✭ZeroThreat


    Are we talking about Paddy Cosgrave of the Web Summit?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,283 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    It's never been a secret that HAP would be paid. This is why so many landlords pledged property. You didn't see the link to the Irish Times article that states:

    Will homeowners receive financial support?

    The accommodation can be provided on a charitable basis, or the homeowner can request to receive the housing assistance payment (Hap), according to the Irish Red Cross. Hap is a payment from local authorities to landlords letting to tenants who receive social housing support, to cover a portion or all of the rent.

    Refugees will be entitled to social welfare so may be able to contribute towards electricity and gas bills, an Irish Red Cross spokesman said.

    HAP can & will be paid under current legislation. Absolutely no changes required.


    This article is almost a month old. HAP has always been planned. If you don't believe the Irish Times then have a look at the citizens information service website. They list what the refugees are entitled to



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 167 ✭✭Beatty69


    The worst thing about that article is the pictures of that kip in Citywest, where on earth is the dignity and privacy for people to get changed there or even sleep in peace?

    Jesus christ, even in hospital you've a curtain you can pull around you.

    2 beds pushed together as well, Covid measure obviously gone out the window.

    If I was a refugee put there I'd be on the plane back to Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,283 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    I agree.

    They are talking about using tents in the coming weeks.

    Very sad



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,237 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    I would presume the two beds pushed together are for a mother and child in all fairness



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 665 ✭✭✭goldenmick


    If you had to live through the horrors in Ukraine, trust me, you'd sleep in a cow shed if needs be. The only thing these poor people are concerned about is being as far away as possible from Putin's Hitler march.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 167 ✭✭Beatty69


    God almighty, I hope we don't turn to tents, I would be ashamed of Ireland if we turn to that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 167 ✭✭Beatty69


    Also, no way was Citywest set up like that during Covid so why can't they set it up properly again??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 665 ✭✭✭goldenmick


    They'd still be warm, fed and most importantly safe. And I'm certain they'd be very grateful for that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 167 ✭✭Beatty69


    Warm and safe in a tent in Ireland, get a grip.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,237 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Its temporary accommodation so they can be processed , kept warm and safe until accommodation is found . People will always find things to whinge about but when you are desperate and fleeing from war at least its a bed until things are sorted . Its not like we have rows of empty houses to spare



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,237 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 167 ✭✭Beatty69


    You obviously didn't read the post I was replying to. 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,237 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    How could you even compare a bed in a warm centre with being in a war zone in Ukraine ? Honestly get a grip



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 665 ✭✭✭goldenmick




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    Would you rather vulnerable women and children be housed with rapists, paedophiles or other undesirables? Citiwest and tents will only be used for overnights while suitable accommodation is sourced. At the moment, hotels are favoured.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,307 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    At present a house owned by someone under Fair Deal cannot be rented out. Someone called an RTÉ programme with a minister on it and said that that these houses were a potential resource but the regulations need to be sorted out. The government don't have to acquire these they could offer to rent them short term.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,093 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Oh give over ffs.


    Do you want to send them back to Ukraine?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16 SpiderSpider




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,731 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    They can be rented out but under the terms of "Fair Deal" the rental income would be taken by the HSE thus making the rental an uneconomic venture.

    That's what needs to be sorted.

    It won't suit all old people in nursing homes because many of them have not given up on the hope of getting back to their own homes.

    Nevertheless it's an option worth pursuing.



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