Access to education is a fundamental right, and nobody is blocking it. Getting supported/financed to do that education is not a fundamental right.. except for certain nations and their own citizens. You realise the University fees are higher for foreigners wanting to study here? Access is available should you meet the requirements and can pay the fees involved.
If a migrant or Asylum seeker wishes to support themselves entirely while studying here, I doubt anyone would object to it. Although, if they continue to fail in their Asylum claims, they should be treated the same as any other applicant for a visa to study here, and should they fail to meet the requirements, be deported.
Pretty simple... no matter how much you deflect from answering the points directly.
Maybe.. but then, there's heaps of other reasons to object to mass immigration, and be critical of our immigration policies. The thread is littered with them, and very few have been countered even a little. Nice attempt to claim this is about being against immigration though.. most people acknowledge the value of having immigration of educated/skilled labour that is capable of completely supporting themselves.
Personally, I wouldn't be too bothered with the environmental aspect. I gather that's in relation to a position you made clear elsewhere. Nah. I'm more concerned with the economic downsides, the issues with lack of integration/assimilation that have caused so much social unrest in mainland Europe, and the elevation of minority groups above that of the native population. I don't like this drive for diversity, because it has no interest in unity. Instead, the focus is on reinforcing the differences between people.. and that leads to problems considering the tribal nature of humans.
There would be a financial gain for one, education is not free.
As I said, I can't understand what is to gain in blocking access to education. But its a moot point, its a fundamental right and, legally speaking, blocking access won't happen despite the desires of some on this thread.
They shouldn't be allowed access to State funded education until they have proven themselves to be a legitimate Asylum seeker. Until that is proven, they're simply an economic migrant that has claimed Asylum as a way to avoid our restrictions on immigration, and possibly also, seeking the funding that comes with being an Asylum seeker. Any education, especially third level education, should be financed by the applicant, along with her living costs while studying.. the same as any other migrant who comes here to study. Why the need for Asylum? She doesn't sound any different from the thousands of Chinese students who come here, pay their fees, and study here for extended periods.. except, that she, somehow, deserves Asylum and support from the Irish state?
You seem to want to make it sound like people want to deny access to primary/secondary education.. except we're talking about third level education, including an advanced degree.. likely paid by the taxpayer. Not many Irish people get such a free ride to get an adult education.
The point is that after an extended period of time she has been unable to prove that she should be eligible for State support as an Asylum seeker. If the others claims are accurate, that's after 7 years of claims and appeals. Surely, even you can admit that if this was a legitimate case for Asylum, then she would have provided the necessary proof, and if not... then she shouldn't be occupying the space (and resources) that would be given to a legitimate Asylum seeker.
I must admit that I'm always a bit bemused by your posts. You seem to have more interest and support for those who scam the system (it doesn't matter how broken the system is, they're still taking advantage of it), than genuine people in need. Or are you going to continue in the belief that resources are infinite, and Ireland can provide for everyone?
Honestly, of all the anti-immigration stances I've seen so far, the carbon emissions one is the most hilarious.
No doubt all those touting this line are ardent environmentalists. Unlikely though
I don't see how that reply is anyway helpful.
You are promoting increasing C02 output in this thread.
You are saying we should be reducing output in another.
Those are facts.
You are lying in one of the threads because you are completely contradicting yourself.
Why should anyone take you seriously on either thread?
So you don't think we should reduce our carbon output?
Not really
Have you any kids and tried to get them into a school?
Kids are already on waiting lists to get into schools because of lack of capacity.
Where are thousands of Ukrainian kids going to attend school if we are already struggling?
Do Ukrainin kids in general have good enough English to attend school, maybe they speak English in Ukraine I don't know?
They should be allowed access to education but do we have the capacity to give them an education and have they good enough English to be able to attend school?
It's not really an answer is it.
Your posts in this thread completely contradict what you are saying in another thread.
You want ireland to reduce C02 output in another thread.
Yet in this thread you want ireland to leave in as many people as possible which will increase C02 output.
So your lying in one of these threads but I am not sure which one your lying in.
Bubblypop is right though, as with the above woman who has decided to stay here for 7 years - it is the system that is wrong/broken/not enforced/shambolic.
The above not being deported isnt his fault, its the countries weak justice department and approach to enforcement
"Australia will continue its divisive "offshore processing" policy on the remote island nation of Nauru.
"Australia's strong border protection policies… have not changed," Home Affairs Minister Karen Andrews said on Wednesday.
"Anyone who attempts to enter Australia illegally by boat will be returned, or sent to Nauru," she added, without clarifying it is not illegal to seek asylum.
The 120 asylum seekers and refugees remaining in PNG will have the option to resettle there or to be moved to detention in Nauru."
Absolutely nothing in that story suggests that Australia will change it's policies, and fair play to them for protecting their borders. If only other countries were as strict.
the second island will probably be Next
Asylum seekers should be housed offshore while their claims are being processed, same as Australia do.
It's difficult to understand the logic behind the argument that asylum seekers should not be allowed access to education.
Education is a fundamental human right for everyone yet some here seek to block access to it purely out of spite and hatred.
The stats to prove they don't get to remain have already been provided.
Only a few hundred deported despite these cases being across the board.. it's too "arduous" to deport them as they say themselves.
They stay in the system so long they just give them the leave to remain in the end.
I already said in this thread I dealt with someone in DP who was refused and informed by letter to... Castlerea Prison. He had been in prison(likely the only reason he even was) and he was appealing it.
I saw him during lockdown(summer 2020) over two years later(dealing or buying drugs so an all round great addition) So even committing crimes in DP doesn't result in a refusal.
Well they will, Emptyhead McEntee has seen to that.
if someone makes a fraudulent asylum claim, I'm sure they will not get.leave to remain.
If making a fraudulent asylum claim isn't illegal then Ireland is in a worse place than I thought it was.
like I said, I don't know her circumstances. I don't know her story and one line is not a story.
she is not doing anything illegal.
I've told you her circumstances. She is claiming asylum based on domestic abuse in Nigeria. She is a scammer. Making a false asylum claim should be a very serious offence.
https://www.pointsoflight.org/blog/after-overcoming-a-difficult-past-asylum-seeker-advocates-for-human-and-civil-rights-for-refugees/
Ireland:
Whelan, who had previously been named in court as a member of an organised crime gang, had over 50 convictions, many of them for drug and gangland-related offences.
Independent councillor Noeleen Reilly said she was “shocked but also not shocked” by news of the death of James Whelan “given the increase in violence in the Finglas area”.
Speaking to The Journal, Reilly explained how it is “very easy” to get guns in the area and that the resulting violence is no surprise.
She explained: “Guns seem to be readily available and it is no coincidence that there has been an increase in crime [at the same time as] a reduction in garda resources
Ireland's justice minister: Oh no! Anyway...let's see about those illegals.
i agree, these things should not be let drag on so long, they should be decided much quicker. I dont know her
circumstances, so I cannot comment on her story. She is not, however, doing anything illegal.
She moved from Nigeria to Ireland seeking refuge because of "domestic abuse" and has been here for 6 years. What a load of absolute horseshit. She should be on the next plane home. Absolute spoofer. She is wasting resources that could be used on a person actually fleeing something.
No, you are ignoring the point.
she is legally in this country as an asylum seeker. She is obviously doing whatever is legally available to her. She is not illegal, nor is she taking anyone else's place in the course she undertook.
You can disagree with the system, most people including myself do, asylum should be decided much much quicker. But this lady is not doing anything wrong or illegal.
You're deliberately ignoring the point. She's clearly had her appeal but our broken system is allowing her (and others) to keep appealing - presumably now until they are granted residency by McEntee's scheme.
She should have had her case heard and if denied, granted one appeal. If that failed as well (as I'm guessing it did if she's here that long), then why is she still here? Why was she not deported? What exactly has changed in her subsequent applications?
She got a degree? Became part of the advocacy group? Neither are things she should have had an opportunity to do purely because her initial appeal was presumably denied.
So again yes, she took a place and opportunity from someone because she shouldn't still be here in the first place
As for your course colleagues.. If they are here legally then no issue. If they're chancing their arm it's a very different story.
Well, if she is going through appeals process,then she is legal.
The system is far from ideal and I think everyone would agree that it should be much much quicker, but the point is, if this lady is an asylum seeker, then she is legal in this country.
at least she is being productive with her time.
Tbh, I don't know anything about her, only what was on the link. She hasn't taken anyone else's place though, she applied, presumably the same as anyone else and got a place. I'm currently studying part time and there are two foreign nationals, that I know of, in my course, are they taking those places from natives?
Fundamentally this woman shouldn't be here at this stage if she hasn't satisfied the entry/residency requirements.
If she's here that long to be getting a degree and getting involved in crusading then I'm guessing she hasn't.
So yes, she's gotten not only special treatment, but a place on the course that should have been allocated to a native or legal migrant.
Except, in reality that doesn't happen much as we have refugees and Asylum seekers from all over the world here, even when there were countries just as safe along the way.
The US has been supplying nutjobs for decades. As have Russia and China. The making and selling of weaponry is big money to any economy. Don't see anything disturbing here. Just the way the world works.
Are you honestly suggesting we shouldnt take them in
Where in my post did I say or even suggest such a thing? Go on.. Quote the relevant part. You won't find it, because I didn't say it, unless you're trying to read between the lines, altering what was said, to find anything like that. You made a statement, a variety of statements, which I queried or sought to counter.. Don't forget the context that you set... which is why I quote each component part for my responses.
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