That is fcukin bizarre. But probably another example of the delusion and ill discipline amongst the Russian forces.
He will probably respond saying not worth risking the lives of 8 billion people.
That's all fine but what if Putin threatens Poland or Baltics with Nukes if they try and stop Russian expansion? Do NATO say OK fair enough not worth the risk. If they are open to this then NATO should disband as an organisation as they are as good as useless in that case and will appear to be weak.
What I said about Putin winning due to surrender is unfortunately very likely:
"Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) Valeriy Zaluzhny urged politicians who are in the rear and talk about the operational situation and alleged preparations for the surrender of the country not to split Ukraine with such statements." https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/815819.html
How much Russian reserves have been confiscated?
How many planes do you see flying in and out of Russia?
How has trade been affected by sanctions? This is all mounting up considerably. How will Russia pay China for resources. How much will China pay Russia.
Sanctions will work in time.
Where is Putin going to Nuke if NATO troops put boot on ground in Ukraine?
Looks like the Russians are digging in, not good. Would mean long grinding sieges, possibly going on for months, which suits the Russian forces. Critical time for Ukraine to make gains, or they could be looking at multiple Donbas type situations all over their country.
If this occurs, would expect plenty of nastiness from the Russians, sabotage, assassinations, poisoning water supplies, etc, etc, you name it. Their propaganda wing can spin anything they do.
We're choosing to turn a blind eye doing what we're doing. If it was Ireland in Ukraines position would you feel it was acceptable that the international community stood by and watched whilst hundreds of your family and friends were systematically wiped out.
All we're doing is delaying an inevitable conflict with a much bolder and better prepared Russia and possibly China. If NATO blitzed the Russians in Ukraine next week this mess would be over. China would be put on warning and the refugee crisis will begin to level out. Right now by our inaction we are exacerbating every other worst case scenario.
Do you really believe that Putin will stop in Ukraine once he gets through there? What in your opinion happens if he does attack the Baltics. Does the threat of nukes magically disappear? Does China decide that all it has to do is threaten nukes to get a bit of lebensraum too?
So it begins
Not before Ukraine surrenders due to massive civillian losses.
Define Time? Are we talking days, months, years, decades or centuries?
We need a quick solution to serious war in Ukraine.
Australia is sending 70,000 tonnes of coal to Ukraine.
Brilliant news. Will it deliver the cargo through Mariupol.
Since then Putin needs any proofs or justifications for his actions? He will do whatever he plans to do, with or without NATO any involvement. In my opinion it is always better to act in a way, which is good for us, then as a reaction to Putin's doing....
This is a distinct possibility. And a horrible vista.
So you are happy out to see cities like Maripoul and Kharkiv destroyed and lots of innocent Iives lost once it stays in Ukraine and war doesn't go beyond its borders? So basically you are happy with Russian troops slaughtering people in Ukraine for no reason and happy for it to continue.
Yes. The timescale being one of months, if not years. Certainly not weeks
not much good for the Ukrainians
When's your flight to Poland... message us when you cross the border into Ukraine - Slava Amproduce!
Are you as sure that won't happen as your are that he'll nuke us. Because neither is a given in my book but I find it far more unlikely that he'll use nukes than it is that he won't invade the baltics.
No. Clearly not. What I'm saying (and you keyboard warrioring fools nobody) is that I don't think it's worth risking 8 billion people.
It'll work in time. I'm sure those children hiding in bunkers every night take alot of comfort in those sentiments.
The very least he should be given is an ultimatum that if he targets any more civilians then his military become legitimate targets for any country that pleases.
Talk is cheap.
Ukraine.
If he invades the Baltics, then NATO will respond. That's a given. How can he invade the baltics if he cannot take a Western supported Ukraine.
I'd he does take Ukraine he'll be in no state to fight NATO.
If the West are not prepared to intervene militarily, we need to stop importing Russian gas and oil. We need to be prepared to suffer economically. Accelerate the economic pain on Russia. Stop trading with them, and make any future trade deal contingent on peace.
Hes happy as long as its not him is the long and the short of it.
I'm not denying this.
But anyone saying NATO should be attacking Ukraine should have the courage of their convictions and let us know how they intend to join up as part of a foreign legion
So, you think Putin is rational? Have you kids?
So if you think he is irrational, so he will do whatever he likes, provoked or not.
I don’t disagree with you. My earlier lost finished with saying there appears to be nothing anyone can do now. It’ll be months or years of a humanitarian catastrophe on our borders
A long war is very, very risky for Putin. The Russian public already sense the "special operation" is going badly after three weeks and if it stretches into months, they will know that to be the case. Becomes difficult for Putin to maintain the narrative when his own people realise the whole Ukraine thing has gone belly up and turned into a fiasco.
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