parking at charge points

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118682028#Comment_118682028

In order for it to be illegal for a non charging vehicle to parked at a charger the space must be marked according to SI 444 of 2015. https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2015/si/444/made/en/pdf

This consists of white text indicating ‘Electric Vehicle Charging Only’ or ‘EV charging Only’ which is at least 350mm high. When eCars place a charger on DCC street they don't take ownership of the accompanying parking space. It's up to DCC whether they want to mark the space for exclusive use, it's then also up to DCC to enforce the rules.

From OPs example, the driver had no right to drive on the pavement, and there is no restriction on taking a photo of a car/driver in a public place.

Gumbo

Those spots are not EV spots just yet. They are free for all,with regards to parking there. It’s unfortunate but DCC/ESB need to paint the ground or else it will keep happening.

mfceiling

They are going to do it shortly. I emailed ESB about this recently.

Gumbo

Yes, it was noted in a recent newsletter alright.

sooner rather than later hopefully for those that need it.

considering their location, it could open up an EV to many of the apartment owners there.

cannco253

Ecars said they would be painted “next week” at the recent IEVOA webinar if I remember correctly, looks like it still hasn’t happened…..not that anyone would be surprised by that

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118682156#Comment_118682156

Parked there tonight as it happens, all chargepoints marked available in the app before I arrived. That was true, but only because 3 or the 4 spaces were ICEd. I plugged into the AC socket on the first unit, so now all 4 parking spaces were occupied, with only 1 EV, me.

I had just plugged in and a taxi arrived and drove up onto the path and plugged into the CCS. My charge rate was then reduced to only 3kW. I assume that when he finished it went back up to the max 6.6 that my car can take since the car was mostly charged when I got back a few hours later. Another taxi was parked on the path at my chargepoint and a second taxi had nosed into the other one with the back of his car out in the driving lane.

It was chaos, all for the want of a bit of paint. Mind you the gullys are higher than the road surface in front of the chargepoint so there's a huge puddle a couple of inches deep that my cable was sitting in.. so they'd need to wait for a good dry spell to be able to paint it.

Atlantic Dawn

Crazy situation.

Non EV owner query...do you still have to Pay & Display while the EV is charging?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118682599#Comment_118682599

In Dublin yes, but at that location only until 6pm so I was okay for free parking after that time. In other parts of the country it's a mixed bag, some local authorities allow free parking while charging and others don't. Some even allow EVs to park anywhere in local authority parking spaces for free, like Waterford. The policy wouldn't typically be signposted, so you would need to research it online or call the local authority to find out. Another mess.

Black_Knight

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118682156#Comment_118682156

They have an TODO called "Paint Rogersons quay next week". Every time they look at it, it's next week.

ted1

Why would they put an AC charger on a high speed one? Surely a stand alone AC one would be better.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118683949#Comment_118683949

It comes with the unit, I've seen the same model used in the UK (Osprey), they however charge 40p/kWh which strongly discourages people from actually bothering to use the AC except in a real emergency, here eCars charge the standard AC rate (on these models), so you may as well park and plug in for 3 hours and physically block the space. I think it was a sop to Zoe drivers.

slave1

just over 5 years EV driving, never seen one of those cables in use

ted1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118685774#Comment_118685774

They could put a blanking plate over it. It’s crazy to put an AC charger on such an expensive piece of kit that’ll charge several vehicles in the time someone charging at sub 7kwh does.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118686164#Comment_118686164

They only started installing them about 18 months ago, we're talking about the sites that were upgraded from 2x22kW AC to a DC Charger.

cannco253

I was in Athlone yesterday and went to the 50kW charger in the city centre. 2 marked spots in front of the charger, both were empty.

I parked in one and started charging (I had the Leaf with me so was on Chademo). Another Leaf parked in beside me and plugged into the AC side, took a few attempts to get going but started in the end.

It's a pay and display car park so I presumed you needed to pay (which I did) even if you're charging. Asked the other driver and was told "I always park here and never pay"

On the other side of the river at a 22kW point, I saw a BMW PHEV driver charging, had the cable stretched diagonally underneath his car so they could reach the plug, first time I saw that and still can't figure out how they did it.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118680994#Comment_118680994

There's no restriction to taking pictures in a public place. Posting people's personal data is against the law and reg plates are personal data, not that it matter as social media is built on breaking GDPR. No excuse for the taxis parking on the footpath

Effects

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118686429#Comment_118686429

Reg plates are not personal data that can be used to identify an individual.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118686429#Comment_118686429

Reg plates on photos taken by an individual and posted on social media is not a GDPR issue for the individual, it would only become an issue when combined with other data that the controller (in this case the social media entity that receives the photo) holds that can be used to identify the individual.

In short: boards.ie can host a picture of a car with a reg plate, it cannot host the picture and create a database saying that Joe Bloggs owns a car with reg plate 202-D-12345 without Joe's permission

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118686517#Comment_118686517

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118686692#Comment_118686692

An easy example of information that could be used to indirectly identify someone is an individual’s license plate number. The police (a third party) can quickly match a name to a license plate number.

The qualifier “reasonably” is an important one. Methods of identification that are not present today could be developed in the future, which means that data stored for long durations must be continuously reviewed to make sure it cannot be combined with new technology that would allow for indirect identification.

Any information that can lead to either the direct or indirect identification of an individual will likely be considered personal data under the GDPR.

https://gdpr.eu/eu-gdpr-personal-data/

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118686692#Comment_118686692

There was nothing on that page that says an individual can't take a picture of a vehicle with a registration plate in a public place.

The responsibilities of GDPR do not apply to individuals going about personal business, it's spelled out on the very site you linked.

KCross

In short: boards.ie can host a picture of a car with a reg plate,

since you are a boards mod is it fair to assume that what you have posted is boards.ie legal opinion and not just your personal opinion?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118683949#Comment_118683949

It's the best of both worlds. If you have a long dwell time, you want an A/C charger with no overstay limit. If you need a quick charge (like the taxi drivers discussed above) then the 50kw DC charger is good enough. They replace the 2x22kw AC units with them so they still provide support for that low power long charge use case.

I'd prefer if they installed hundreds of low cost AC chargers all over central Dublin (and other cities), since people travelling to the city centre will usually spend a few hours, shopping, at a show, at college or a business meeting or a medical appointment or whatever. An A/C chargepoint is ideal for that. There are an embarrassingly small number of AC chargers in the centre of Dublin for on street parking spots. And ecars have said they are not going to install any more new ones.

If they keep installing these dual charger types, it's good, but they are much more expensive than AC charepoints so they won't install anywhere near enough of them. A mix of these and cheap AC chargepoints on every street and car parks would be best IMO.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118686164#Comment_118686164

you'd have seen me using one yesterday :) Ideal for what I needed, I was parked up for around 4 hours, so a DC charger with 45 minute overstay was no use to me, I needed an AC charger with no overstay.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118686251#Comment_118686251

If there are 2 parking spots marked in front of the chargepoint and only one car can use the DC charger at a time, then there's nothing wrong with the other spot being used by a car charging on AC.

I'm assuming only CCS or Chademo can be used at a time on these chargepoints, at least the app showed both CCS and ChaDeMO as in use when the taxi was charging on CCS and I was charging on AC (I think).

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118688010#Comment_118688010

As a volunteer mod, I can only answer to the forum charter, if you want an answer to boards legal position you'd need to ask the helpdesk. We have a number of well established threads consisting of pictures (and videos) of other peoples cars in public places, so until their situation changes I'll maintain my viewpoint.

The point I was making was more around the GDPR responsibilities being on the service hosting a picture, and not on an individual who happens to take one in a public place.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118687242#Comment_118687242

When it's posted to online it's a breach of GPDR.

Effects

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118689759#Comment_118689759

Can you explain further?