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State is buying half of all new homes - this has to stop!

Fred Cryton

Recent figures show the State is hoovering up around half of all the new homes built last year, either directly or through housing bodies.

No wonder it's so difficult for private buyers and renters! Banning the State from buying or leasing would instantly double the number of houmes available to buyers and renters.

It's the State which is crowding out hard working first time buyers, not funds. The narrative in the media is completely wrong...the funds are financing the development of new homes which otherwise would not be built, while the State is taking them off the market!

We need to get our piroirites straight here....is our top prioirty to give a new A rated house to a welfare dependent single mother, or is our priority to have that house available for hard working taxpayers to buy? There is no-one standing up for the private buyer in the face of huge govenrment intervention in the market.

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jackofalltrades

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118673370#Comment_118673370

Saying REITs are the only ones providing capital to build is simply not true.

jackofalltrades

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118673434#Comment_118673434

Can you provide a source for "the vast majority of people in social housing work"?

Pussyhands

Prime Time had a great episode there about 8 months ago talking about the housing crisis and it had the deputy CEO or second in command to the CEO of Dublin City Council.

So talking about why they pay extreme amounts for 25 year leases he said something like "It doesn't matter the price we pay, if we house a family"

It's insane.

HerrKapitan

The Great Reset is in full swing. Let's see how far into it we get before realising it.

blackbox

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118673318#Comment_118673318

A. How does the rent they pay compare to the private sector for similar properties?

B. The rent is supposed to be based on household income. To what extent is this monitored?

C. What percentage are up to date with their payments?

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118673318#Comment_118673318

Most of the time they may do, but the council arrears rates shows that's often not the case.

road_high

As usual they’re doing what is politically expedient rather than looking after working tax payers (the very last thing they ever do) - funny thing is, they’ll get zero thanks from the free house brigade- they’ll all be voting SF if they can be bothered to go vote.

Chips Lovell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118673007#Comment_118673007

I've seen more imaginative characterisation in badly written, poorly funded RTE comedy shows.

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058234202/state-is-buying-half-of-all-new-homes-this-has-to-stop

Do you think they are buying and leasing instead of building for the tax payers benefit or the developer/investors benefit?

You know it wouldn't matter to people, mostly working, who need housing assistance, if the housing was bought or built?

Did you know the housing minister has investments with REITs and the former FG housing advisor is married to the then head of Goldman-Sachs?

I think looking at the people on welfare is a red herring.

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118673694#Comment_118673694

There was a report recently.

The arrears are more to do with rent rates being incorrect than people not paying at all.

The council undertakes to assess its tenants circumstances every two years, and where incomes have been underdeclared it applies “retrospective debits” to recoup money owed.

The council had been “at the mercy of the tenants in employment to advise us when their income changed”, she said. However, since 2020 it has had access to tenants’ income details through the Local Authority Verification Application system, developed in conjunction with the Department of Employment Affairs and Social Protection. This meant rent charges could be accurately applied which was “very beneficial to us and the tenant”, she said.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/dublin-city-council-owed-38m-in-unpaid-rent-1.4781829

Fattybojangles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118673833#Comment_118673833

The fact that the private sector grossly rips off people is not a good arguement against social housing.

As far as know the council monitors it every 2 years and in 2020 alone DCC collected 90.9 million euro in rent amazing considering council housing is free according the geniuses on here.

64% are in arrears but the vast majority are 500 euro or less in arrears and the vast majority who are in arrears are paying rent it's just that they now owe more.

Amias

There is no difference between what the CC, Charities and REITs are doing to the individual buyers. Each of them buying Turn key is a farce.

I remember this article which mentions Ires Reit owning 4k units

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/revealed-ten-biggest-landlords-now-own-17000-homes-41339550.html

which not mention charities like tuath housing that own 8k units.

CC, Charities and REITs should seek planning for their own developments instead of competing with private buyers.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118673318#Comment_118673318

Pay rent!!! Hahahahahahahahahahaha

[Deleted User]

I see myself aged 80, still in full time employment, as retirement age has increased, paying more than half my income in tax so the ever increasing proportion of scroungers can live in the same housing estate as me, with all their needs and wants met from my pocket. I expect things to get nasty, and it will not be the social welfare class violently rebelling either

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118675059#Comment_118675059

yes that's correct, pay rent.

as they are contractually obligated to pay money to the council, and will thus be paying what they are supposed to be paying then they are paying rent.

if they are not paying the rent then the council has options and remedies available and it's on them to use them.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118675506#Comment_118675506

“Dublin City Council owed €38m in unpaid rent

Just over 64% of council’s 25,000 tenants in arrears and 41 owe more than €27,000“

So, not everyone is paying what paltry rent they should.

The likes of (draughty windows) Erica Fleming and Margaret (Da gubberment are robbin us) Cash were cheerleaders in the entitled, leading to the so called housing crisis. Anyone would put up with living in a hotel room for a few months in order to secure a foreva home. Then either complain about said home or scarper off to another jurisdiction when they get bored.

The Student

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118672041#Comment_118672041

If you are going to compare Ireland to other countries please do not cherry pick aspects of the country to further your argument. People in Singapore have a different work/culture to Irish people.

Gaming the system in Ireland is seen as a badge of honour. Relying on the State in Singapore is seen as being a failure.

Only those in Singapore who have no other choices rely on state support for housing. In Ireland we hear of unmarried mothers in their mid to late twenties getting their "forever home" which ironically is provided by the State.

So more involvement by the State actually distorts the market and encourages reliance on the State. At what point do people accept responsibility for their situation?

The Student

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118675506#Comment_118675506

The State/councils don't actually have remedies. The State has a legal responsibility to house people and it is almost impossible to evict even council tenants (it is possible but is very rarely used. If my memory serves me right DCC have only ever evicted three families). Typically if rent is not paid the council will not carry out repair work.

Feisar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118673851#Comment_118673851

This is the hilarious thing about it all. It's FF/FG that have given the welfare class everything but they'll vote SF in their droves.

Gant21

I need to talk to Joe

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118675624#Comment_118675624

You'll never understand the realities if you parrot things like "Da gubberment are robbin us" etc.. If you believe every tenant is an illiterate scrounger, you'll never know the facts nor be able to discuss it in an intelligent manner. How do people marry celebrating low unemployment with all these anecdotal illiterate work shy people destroying the country?

The arrears are mainly due to the Council not adjusting rents to changing incomes. Not people refusing to pay rent. There's literally a post with a link stating that 5 posts above yours.

"So called Housing crisis" you should really educate yourself and quit the parroting of soundbites.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/housing-crisis-has-demoralised-a-generation-says-taoiseach-1.4688047

irishproduce

Politicians carry out activities that the electorate demand. Therefore the electorate in sufficient numbers require/ demand that they buy up houses to provide for social tenants.

This would be countered by middle classes voting the opposite way and demanding that the policy be ceased, however the numbers of people who require social housing increases decade on decade far beyond the numbers who would be private buyers or middle class.

This probably has its roots in squeezing the middle classes constantly so they're having less kids and incentivising social classes to produce more in order to get housed. You end up with more votes calling for looser and easier access to subsidised homes.

Just my thoughts

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118675766#Comment_118675766

What part of €38,000,000 owed in rent? If I didn’t pay my mortgage, I very much doubt I’d still be in my home.

I never mentioned illiterate scrounger. You did.

Fattybojangles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118675091#Comment_118675091

Deluded internet hardman fanstasies aside you scoff at social housing tenants paying rent perhaps you could explain who Dublin City council collected 90.9 million euro in rent from in 2020 alone?

Fattybojangles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118676832#Comment_118676832

You can go years in this country without paying your mortgage before you'd be hopped out just look at that cnut that worked for tv3 and her rich husband paid nothing for 7 years and were left in it.

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118676832#Comment_118676832

You question if there is a housing crisis. That makes you seem uninformed. You misspelled your direct quotes suggesting either you or the person you are quoting is illiterate. Despite a linked and quoted article showing the arrears problem is more about not being current with income rates, not non payment, you sell it and continue to sell it as a non payment problem. This makes you look either foolish or agenda driven.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118678097#Comment_118678097

Unfortunately, the link posted is behind a paywall. You might explain to me how rent of millions unpaid is caused by inaccurate rates?

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118678496#Comment_118678496

The council charge rent based on income. When the income increases so should the rent and when the council find out the tenant is in arrears. The council say most of the arrears are that and they've evicted people who didn't pay at all. I quoted much of this in the post with the link.

So claiming its for non payment without knowing the facts is a bit irresponsible.

hello2020

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058234202/state-is-buying-half-of-all-new-homes-this-has-to-stop

thank you for highlighting this point but how can this issue be raised to politicians as we all watch in despair rising house prices which are almost out of reach of every single earner family :(

what will get decision makers attention to this issue?

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118676977#Comment_118676977

Just looked it up 90 million i rents, c 25000 tenancies with 67000 people. Works out at 1300 euro per year per person. Nobody paid the max council rent. Only 1 evicted for non payment.. to be housed in dublin city council one most pay between 25 and 30 euro per week in rent according to those figures. Its effectively free