SF have former IRA among its number. Shocking I know.
Their shadow cabinet would be their ministers if they got in.
For many it says that they dedicated their lives to service of their country and its defense and were willing to risk death or life imprisonment for that.
You probably disagree.
Most won't care either way.
As unpalatable as it might be, we demanded that Sinn Fein/IRA take the route of constitutional politics and they're now in Government in the North. We can't have one rule for the North and another for the South.
On the plus side, Sinn Fein in Government might be the solution to the current wave of thuggery and anti-social behaviour in the South. A few wallops of iron bars and nail studded baseball bats might be just the thing for the ever growing legion of 100+ conviction scummers terrorising pensioners etc., since successive Governments here have given up on anything other than token law and order enforcement.
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Just go up a few posts to the story from aoife moore about Eoin OBroins expense mistake. She is being called all sorts of things by sinn fein supporters in the comments, a government mouthpiece etc etc. I
IT was a fairly innocuous mistake by obroin and the money has been paid back, aoife Moore wrote a factual piece about that, but that is not enough for the provisional online army.
Like trump supporters, they feel sinn fein should get a free pass and any article not fully behind them means you are an enemy of the cause, a government mouthpiece, part of the conspiracy against SF etc etc and can't be trusted.
Demonising the free press for reporting articles that are unfavourable - thats another one on the list
I am not a supporter of SF at all, especially given their moves to restrict the right to protest, I'm aware that many in the first Dail and subsequent Dails had criminal convictions.
Ah does the murders of Father Molloy, Pat Nugent and Mary Boyle spring to mind? And as for Paedo's does Grace and Sara spring to mind? https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/dismay-expressed-at-decision-not-to-prosecute-hse-in-grace-case-1.4802119
Also lets not forget about The Stardust disaster.
All done, under the watch of FF or FG.
Did you vote for the GFA, and if so, did you read it through, and were aware the possibility of future government members having conflict related convictions?
Im not party affiliated either way, but it will surely be the most naive only from any present day government members that make any noise about this, considering we took part in the GFA negotiations, agreed to implement them, when we signed up to them.
We cant pretend we werent fully aware this was a possibility, just because sinn fein seem to be edging towards power, we are either onboard with what we signed up to, or we are not.
My thesis is that most 'new' SF voters in the Republic have minimal interest in the National Question. IMO paying respect to former IRA 'activists' is far down the list of why these 'converts' are now voting for the party.
I think you over estimate SF. We traditionally have many floating voters. SF are popular because FF/FG are so bad. No 'converts'.
Agree its more about housing than Bobby Sands. That said, every party has their heroes.
They did a great job laying down their arms, murdering on duty detective guard and detonating two bombs in England🙄
Would you think that if SF got in they'd have the Garda waiting at the airport to caution someone made a critical comment?
Verona Murphy never said that. Why lie to try to score points?
Calm down. If you want to be pedantic fine, I didn't use quotation marks, so why are you lying?
She wanted them "deprogrammed" incase they were infected with the isis. Now where or how was this to happen do you think?
Critical comment is a very strange way of describing harassment.
Yet again the weasel words to try and downplay yet another example of online harassment by Sinn Fein supporters.
I guess in the brave new world Brucie dreams of victims will be denied protection from their harassers depending on their politics
I see the only army out defending Eoin as he made an honest mistake. That's all it is, an honest mistake. Fair play to him for sorting it out so quickly.
Now as for the online army would they be so forgiving if it was a FF TD who made an honest mistake
I wouldn't be surprised if Garda support for a sfira gov was very limited .
More than anyone garda management knows what lies beneath sf having fought them the years
I don't know who pissed in your cornflakes but don't take your little tantrum out on me.
I'm referring to when a NY blogger made comments about a minister online and the Garda met her at the airport and cautioned her. I was asking the poster was that the kind of thing he feared? Not sure why your knickers got knotted.
Yes. They do seem to show a bias. The dawn raid on Paul Murphy comes to mind. The harassment of Clare Daly. The treatment of the whistle-blower etc.
All above board I imagine or are you accusing the Garda of turning a blind eye? I hope not. We've some very shady parties in government as is.
not yet, but sf will and will make history.
if that is happening it will be a very tiny minority, the type who if they supported another party would be at the same thing.
they do not represent sf or it's supporters so are not our problem.
Next level deflection there, we'll done on sticking to the script
Deflection? How so? If SF had the Garda caution a critic you'd be okay? Same topic.
The idea that anyone with an opinion you don't like is employed by SF and working from a script is amusing to me.
Of course they wouldn't but what do you expect from a government supporter.
What opinion did I not like - you offered no opinion. I was talking about the poor treatment Aoife Moore was receiving from Sinn Fein supporters, you came back with a "yeah but Garda caution blah blah blah". It was plain deflection, no questions asked
Im not a government supporter.
Once again you are proving the point - in the eyes of a sinn fein supporter, anybody who is in anyway critical of sinn fein is an enemy/a government shill/part of the conspiracy to keep Sinn Fein out of power.
I voted SF for the first time in the last election but my vote is a swinging vote. I want change and if SF force the other parties to change for the better that is good and they may regain my vote.
Except that’s not what happened - no matter how many times you repeat the lie.
If anyone is the victim of harassment, then they are entitled to make a complaint to the gardai, and if the gardai find it to be warranted then they will and should take action - regardless of the politics of the victim
You’ve a warped moral compass that decides harassment of your political enemies can be hand-waved away as “criticism” just so you can deflect and keep shilling for the SFOS trolls.
Sinn Fein TD Jonathan O’Brien ended up needing to take his harasser to court. I can imagine the level of victim blaming we’d see from the SFOS contingent on here if a Govt TD ended up having to do that with one of their abusers
What did I deflect from? The idea that the Garda might not carry out their duty if SF got in to government or critics would have the SF government after them? Go on feel free.
What lie?
I asked a poster was he fearful if any government critic might be cautioned by the Garda at the airport.
You raised the whole victimised minister and how you are cool with critics getting cautioned by the Garda if they are affiliated with SF. Thats all you.
Personally I think the biggest monsters are those who assisted the religious orders rape children, sell babies and imprison women and continue to cover for them. But that's just my moral compass.
It has been running a lot on social media the past few weeks and MM himself made reference to it in the Dail, which was not actually denied by EoB at the time, which I found telling. It makes sense though as SF like to present themselves as anti-establishment but are very much part of the establishment. It's going to be a problem for them in the future.
It's clear the SF see themselves in government next and are preparing for the realities of life being in power, where they cannot make up policy on the hoof nor see roaring and shouting online as actually governing the state.
The move on the Special Criminal Court is an example of this. One will see lots of other movements like that over the next few years.
In other words, people are expecting SF to be like a Michael Foot Old Labour but in reality, they are going to get a Tony Blair New Labour
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