Are we really that desperate for people to prop up the pension pyramid scheme?
I'd be willing to bet that unless the political landscape changes here one of the subjects that will never be put to a direct vote of the electorate is immigration. The only time it was way back in 04 with the birth passport loophole the Irish electorate said yes to closing it in the highest percentage of agreement in any recent referendum. Both repeal the 8th and the same sex marriage referendums had lower winning margins and we consider them 'landslide' victories.
The problem is our political landscape. The days of 'the parish' and nepotistic gombeenism are still with us. If Hall's Pictorial Weekly(for the old farts out there) was a youtube channel it wouldn't be running out of material any time soon. You have both McEntee and Coveney who inherited their political power from daddy, after daddy fell off the twig, or in the case of the latter a cliff after it was found money was resting in his Ansbacher account. But these jokers and those like them get in because of our backward parochial forelock tugging 19th century mindset. And then you have the Healy Raes...
And then you have the 'alternatives'. Either full right on student union Lefties, who get a couple of people in, but have no power, or the full right complete jokes like the NP who only get a couple of votes, literally, and have no power thank christ. SF would be exactly the same or worse than FFG on this subject, though at least they'd be different faces. For a time.
And behind it all a load of high level civil servants and a holdover of good loul catholic Ireland a multitude of overlapping tax funded NGO's with the ear of the political class.
What the hell are they at with this scheme???
Some kick in the teeth for genuine migrants who chose to do things following the legal route
does mcentee think this will “play well” with middle ireland?
That's not the point. Anybody can move here from the UK or the EU with absolutely no requirement to tell anybody they live here. That's not good.
I'm well aware of that
And yet 83% of our prison population are home-grown Irish-born.
It is almost impossible to live here and perform any type of activity without proof of address, i.e. domicile.
Actually 17% are foreign born, which does not mean foreign. I'm foreign born, yet I'm completely Irish.
Because we have no idea who lives here. We know all legal non EU people living here. Doesn't impact free movement, doesn't stop anyone moving here. If you go to live in many EU countries, there is a requirement to register your domicile
Which is about the number of people who are not identified as Irish in the population just as the remaining 83% represents Irish people.
You'd swear it was 100% the way some people hop up and down
It’s a good trap, if not here legally they should be deported asap
Didn't everyone cheer when the same thing happened in the states for the Irish "undocumented?"
Why exactly would we do that with UK and EU citizens, all of whom have free movement? If you live and work here you will end up registered via a PPS number anyway.
If I was a conspiracy theorist, you'd almost think they are trying to create a far (just right of centre) right in this country so they can naively imagine themselves as the "good guys".
There is nobody I feel comfortable voting for at the moment. All parties seem to want more or less the same things, have the same policies etc
Everybody living in Ireland, particularly all UK and EU citizens, should be required to register at their local county council office. We have no idea who lives here.
If you've done everything legally and are now working then where is the issue? More about paper not refusing ink in that story.
I'm guessing you have absolutely no credible source for that 100K. That's equivalent to all the UK residents. Why would a boss stop someone applying? Strange world really where 100K seem to be aided and abetted by an apparently large number of shady non tax-compliant bosses.
What you describe is what got Trump elected in America and what got Brexit done in the UK.
And I'm going to guess that it has something to do with the various governments in places like Poland and Hungary.
The problem for Ireland is that there is no alternative.
The opposition, namely SF and Labour are even more zelos progressives than FF or FG.
There used to be a cartoon with a man walking around with a board over his shoulders saying "The end is nigh". It certainly is for this country.
smells like a trap
“undocumented” come forward are immediately arrested and deported
One of the main, though never acknowledged, reasons the FFG vote has been decimated in recent years is their embracement of unthinking progressivism.
This dangerous and immoral nonsense is the latest manifestation.
The remainder of the political body and the Irish media tow the same line in this particular with Soviet uniformity. A climate of fear reigns. Careerism leads as dissenting thought becomes a thing of the past.
We are instructed breathlessly on the ruinous potential of largely imagined extremists among us. Meanwhile, extremists are in government and/or in positions of influence over said government, implementing damaging policies without scrutiny, much less challenge.
The public seethes privately, resisting on the rare occasions we are given a democratic voice on the matter. The opportunities are deliberately kept rare. There is no longer a comfortable home for moderates on the political landscape.
Submitting to ideological agendas in place of prudent governance. FFG have not just abandoned the Centre, they've abandoned reason.
On the student visa issue, I understand why they feel aggrieved. If you come here to study, do an undergrad and a post grad, or an undergrad and then get a legitimate job, have spent four or five years here built a life here and are doing everything legally you would be right to feel higher up the pecking order than people who have been here illegally.
I'm dumbfounded how anyone awaiting deportation (well that would pretty much include all illegals) or with a criminal record can now apply to legally work here and ultimately citizenship
There is zero reason to do this except as maybe a vote getter but she must be deluded if she thinks this will get the party/her votes
I'm losing all faith in FFG and anyone in government to actually stand up and work for the country and the people who pay taxes - the current government makeup is an absolute disgrace - I'd vote for SF but they're worse but might give a kick in to the teeth to FG/FF
I'd drink myself to sleep but can't afford it anymore - thanks FG
Even in some circles to discuss it can even attract the racist tag…. It’s a convenient way to shut down debate.
And it’s not as if the Irish illegals in America are any way close to getting an amnesty right now, so why the need for us to pay it forward? Plus if you come to the attention of the authorities over there you will absolutely be deported, and rightfully so.
Judging by the comments on here and online, people are overwhelmingly against this, and it’s this area people usually tend to shy away from being outspoken about for fear of being labeled racist. Why is Ireland perusing this when it’s against the will and the best interests of it’s citizens?
There are 166,000 approx on the Live Register.
Plus there are 67,000 on PUP.
I don't see much need for a lot of non-EU labour, given there are over 200,000 people on LR and PUP.
There's no interest in tracking illegals... not that they couldn't be tracked if the interest was there. McEntee reflects our political elite.. more interested in short term feel good gestures, and less interested in the long-term negative consequences. You can be sure she (and the politicians who support her) will never take public responsibility for anything bad that comes from this.
Except for a few things.
Firstly, many of them are known, since they've been caught by the Gardai, but released back into society. There's a range of articles and press releases relating to the Gardai/Justice that they don't hold on to most illegals.. but their names/details are taken. Secondly, their details are often taken when they seek medical or educational services, which are provided under international law, but the local organisations involved do take their details. It wouldn't take much to gain access to those records if there was some interest in doing so.
Lastly, a fair chunk of these illegals are those who came here legally on visa, but didn't leave when their visas expired. A wee bit of investment into a range of database search programs would gather the names of those who didn't leave.. vs those who have since renewed their visas, or have left through normal channels..
It's amazing the assumption that these people are not known to the authorities, or that they couldn't be traced if the govt truly desired to do so.
In Germany there is an obligation of identity and to register your place of residence. It is much more difficult to exist under the radar in Germany than Ireland. Employing those who have entered Germany illegaly is very difficult. A German police officer can demand to see your identity card and if not happy you won't be going anywhere until they've satisfied themselves as to your identity. They're also able to check your residence details straight away.
These illegal immigrants are on their way to citizenship because Ireland can't track illegals and McEntee has just capitulated.
If the price of knowing who they are is access to welfare, social housing and family repatriation ignorance is bliss as far as I'm concerned.
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