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Will road projects speed up when the Greens are voted out?

veryangryman

I think it's fair to say that spot of projects ran out of time before the gowls got into coalition. Thankfully they screwed themselves out of keeping seats enough to guarantee a fall from Grace in next election.

Anyway, based on the possibility if a non green next gov, will the much needed projects get over the line faster? I think yes

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markpb

Yes. If the Greens aren’t in government in Ireland, the world will stop worrying about a climate change crisis, our international commitments to reduce emissions will go away and road transport will stop being a major contributor.

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058229315/will-road-projects-speed-up-when-the-greens-are-voted-out

If SF is looking to form a government without FF or FG, Greens will almost certainly be required to make up the numbers, even if they are down to three or four seats. So current government not returning does not necessarily mean Greens are out of the picture.

veryangryman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118516594#Comment_118516594

Commitments and following them through to the letter are 2 different things. The local TD is more likely to cave to the short-sightedness of people like me who just want to be able heat a house and get around without living in a city.

Aontachtoir

At this stage the next government will most likely be SF/FF, with or without other smaller left-wing parties to make up the numbers as needed. So, hyper-populist at its core. I doubt the Greens will be allowed to stand in the way of very popular policies like slashing carbon taxes and building new roads (two guaranteed vote-winners). The next election campaign will see a heavy focus on who can offer the greatest improvements in the cost of living and quality of life to Irish people, and a key part of that will be once again making energy cheaper and private car transport easier. If the Greens raise objections on climate commitments, then the election will effectively become a referendum on what should drive Irish policy - meeting climate commitments, or ensuring that Irish people can afford to keep their high standard of living. Environmental legislation and regulations can also be repealed as necessary to permit rapid development.

So, yes, hopefully the roads will start to move to construction much faster once the Greens are out.

No, because fundamentally, other then the M20 and a few bits, we mostly already have a very good road network. There really isn't a great deal more to do.

The focus now needs to be on public transport into and around our cities. That is the part of the transport picture that is still very poor compared to similar sized European neighbours.

touts

No. The public face of the greens are their TDs. They are relatively harmless and have a relatively minor role in the green movement. The real problem comes from their unelected elements. The real power in the greens lies with An Taisce. They will continue to have an unfair quasi-veto over all development on this island. And their stormtroopers "The Friends of the Irish Environment" will object to everything in rural Ireland. Much needed infrastructure like the M20 and M24 are basically dead in the water.

Cookiemunster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118516611#Comment_118516611

The Greens will be lucky to have the 2 TDs they had in the last Dail after the next election. The smaller party in an unpopular coalition always suffers most and I reckon SF could hoover the preferences that got most of their TDs elected.

Pete_Cavan

Well funding for road projects is due to increase substantially from 2026 so road projects will/should speed up then, but that will have nothing to do with the Greens. Indeed the Greens partly created the plan to have road projects speed up under the next government.

KrisW1001

No. As noted, the Greens have activated a lot of local bypass projects that have been gathering dust for decades now.

The delays to projects are from two sources:

The long planning process, and the longer appeals process after planning is granted.
Limits to the government’s capital budget

The Green Party has feck-all to do with either of these. On the first point, the majority of the problem appeals are driven by property-value concerns; environmental concern is almost always a smokescreen (witness the M28 debacle).

roadmaster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118518176#Comment_118518176

You are right in saying most of the work is done with i would say less then 6 Motorways/ Type 2 dual carriageways to be completed but in saying that there is an awful amount of upgrades that need or should be done on the national secondary network

LillySV

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118518176#Comment_118518176

Think you need to travel outside of Dublin if U believe that

Thelonious Monk

I can't wait till the Greens are voted out just to see who the country rednecks will blame for all their problems next

LillySV

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118521730#Comment_118521730

Jesas generalize much ?

any other groups , maybe even ethnicities you want to generalize against ?

steeler j

So we are rednecks for wanting a government to spend money and build infrastructure in rural towns and cities . A stupid take on things

roadmaster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118521730#Comment_118521730

Ah yes i remember that time the healy raes objected to the metro going to sandyford

Strumms

The Green Party transport green paper is laughable….

it amounts to in the main… cycling and then just a load of lip service to other aspects of peoples transport needs….business transport needs..

Seth Brundle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058229315/will-road-projects-speed-up-when-the-greens-are-voted-out

Which projects are you referring to that the "gowls" in the government coalition have delayed? Given that the greens have feck all influence overall, I'm curious to see what they have done to delay national infrastructural projects (given that other factors uncluding lack of funding have not caused delays).

Or is it as I suspect, you don't like the greens simply because of mumble mumble mumble?

smacl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118521792#Comment_118521792

The much needed rejuvenation of rural Ireland would probably benefit more from spend on high speed broadband infrastructure than roads, making our rural towns attractive places to do business in and to live in without silly commutes.

magicbastarder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118518214#Comment_118518214

i had never known the greens were a subsidiary of an taisce. or that FoIE were objecting to 'everything in rural ireland'.

LillySV

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118522227#Comment_118522227

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/green-party-chair-consulting-on-challenge-to-galway-ring-road-1.4769465

constantly challenging, appealing and voting against anything that will bring the rest of the country’s infrastructure up to a suitable standard

steeler j

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118522296#Comment_118522296

It would but I know of a lot of people in towns that are not able to get around the towns because of traffic especially hgvs . These are people that cycle and walk but have to deal with hgvs and long distance traffic . Trying to get across the main street in some towns to get from shop to shop can be diffcult and dangerous

[Deleted User]

Which road projects though?

I’m looking at a massive Dunkettle interchange project proceeding at speed in Cork and the other key project - a motorway to Ringaskiddy isn’t held up by the Greens, it’s been a long term hold up by a bunch of local NIMBYs.

The M20 is about the only significant road project that needs to move. Otherwise I don’t really know what road issues we are suffering from ? Improved maintenance on rural roads would be useful.

The Galway Ring project will probably just never happen because of Galway NIMBY/BANANA (Build a absolutely nothing anywhere near anything) issues, not because of the Green Party. It should have been build 20+ years ago.

Dublin and some of the other cities are in dire need of public transit investment and they are starting to see a bit of light on that at last. Without that, you’re looking at irish cities grinding to a gridlocked halt. No amount of road investment can fix Dublin’s traffic issues. The only solution to that is public transport, because the the density and scale of the city is beyond the ability to drive in and out. Cork is following rapidly down that path too.

Seth Brundle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118522330#Comment_118522330

She is a senator so not a member of the coalition.
She is exploring the possibility of action against the GRR (which as an infrastructure project will do feck all for Galway traffic but there is already a thread on that!). Her exploration of action has not delayed this project so why mention it?

LillySV

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118522470#Comment_118522470

Look two posts up

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118522484#Comment_118522484

That’s Galway though. It’s always been Galway. I don’t really see that city developing as it just has an object to absolutely everything and remain a small village type local political culture.

If you look at the progress and urban infrastructure ambition in Cork, Limerick or Waterford there’s just no comparison.

LillySV

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118522482#Comment_118522482

She is a Green Party chairwoman … so representing the green party

Seth Brundle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118522430#Comment_118522430

Is the problem that every town needs to be bypassed so that we can cross roads or that we have seriously increased our car ownership numbers and now feel we need to drive everywhere despite an oncoming climate crisis?

Building more roads doesn't reduce the numbers of people driving: it increases them!

LillySV

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118522494#Comment_118522494

I can’t disagree with that in fairness … In my credit I’m a blow in 😀

LillySV

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118522498#Comment_118522498

Well in Galways situation … cars trucks and even tractors have to drive into the city in order to cross the river and head to the west.. absolute madness

steeler j

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118522498#Comment_118522498

Not every town , a few towns need a bypass even as it is without adding any more cars . Very hard to get people out of cars and to walk or cycle if it's full of traffic ,as they feel unsafe .