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The media and male violence

Bobtheman

The media think they can sort this. A few laws passed and an education program and off we go.

Firstly you will never totally eliminate male violence. Don't pretend that's a runner.

In terms of reducing it-Ireland has a very low rate as it. The media does not acknowledge this.

Passing laws won't change much. Mandatory sentences? We don't have the prison capacity. They are talking of locking men up once they trip the low level violence wire to prevent upward escalation. No prison spaces folks and the vast majority of men who commit violence at a low level never escalate.

You might have better luck trying to radically limit access to booze as its a main driver of violence but that is never going to happen.

As to education programmes - what's the point teaching young males about the perils of misogyny when they have 24 hour access to porn?

There is an anti male bias in the media. Men have practically created everything we use. Female lifespans are much longer because of men.

But to listen to the media men - are marauding the streets looking for a fight.

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PaoloGotti

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118515626#Comment_118515626

You said a lot without saying much.

The core reason is genetic strength, don’t think that can be disputed. You can’t use outliers like strong women or weak men to argue otherwise.

Weapons are illegal. Fact: if I am a sick psychotic man i could kill 99% of women out for a jog. The reverse is not a fact. This is what I meant in likening it to child abuse: the average woman stands no chance against the likes if Ted Bundy.

If one does not accept these facts then they will forever fail to accept the gravity of the problem.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118514727#Comment_118514727

I can understand the serious reaction to attacks by men on women as it is similar to child abuse - the victim is “helpless” in a similar way.

Not even remotely similar. Child abuse vs Adult violence. A child has little in the way of experience or agency in determining where they are or how they deal with others. An Adult, male or female, does.

Anyway, how about understanding that the rate of male led murders of women in Ireland is extremely low compared to most other countries in the world. Same with male led violence directed towards women....

I for one would support a mandatory life sentence for any form of physical assault by a man on a woman. But I absolutely can see that this strategy will not solve the problem.

Any form of physical assault. So a guy slaps a woman across the cheek, you would advocate a life sentence? Yeah, that's fair. Especially, since I see no indication that you would apply the same standards to women. Oh, and before you point out the strength difference... the use of weapons can seriously level the playing field, and in some cases, women can be stronger than men, both physically and mentally.

Domestic abuse by women towards men is a thing... you might want to consider it a wee bit.

I really don’t think the problem can be ever fully solved, short of a minority report type future. As long as men have a significant physical strength advantage over the majority of women then all that is left remaining is for them to be a bit of a psycho. They are in a position to play god then.

As long as men and women are treated differently in regards to their safety and the expectations that society has about them, these problems will continue in a serious manner. It will never be entirely resolved, but if people were willing to consider the root problems, we might be able to further reduce the actual risks to women. But that won't happen because all problems are external to women, and they should not be required to change habits/behaviors to ensure their own safety. Instead, blame the entire male gender for how a minority, (one who can't be identified before problems arise), behaves.

Ever notice how the focus is on male/female, rather than considering other classifications like race, economic backgrounds, educational backgrounds, etc? When we only have two genders to choose from, it's remarkably easy to focus on one gender being the problem... as opposed to looking for actual issues that could be tackled.

[Deleted User]

Is this thread the Irish equivalent of "All lives matter"

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058229218/the-media-and-male-violence

As to education programmes - what's the point teaching young males about the perils of misogyny when they have 24 hour access to porn?

Perils of misogyny? You sure that's the claim you want to make?

There is no scientific evidence to show that porn encourages misogyny in males. There's plenty of theories, often driven by US based political considerations, but ever notice how porn that's directed towards women is never criticised? If porn caused the problems you're associating with it, then we'd be seeing a huge amount of Misandry (and misogyny), as female interest in porn is quite high in most countries.

You're simply buying into the propaganda. I don't watch porn myself, at least, not since I was a teenager... but I'm aware of the debates around it. Most of the crap people say about porn is rubbish.

In any case, what's the point of such education when the vast majority of males do not engage in violent behavior? The people who do engage in violence are unlikely to be influenced by further educational attempts to inform. So.... what's the point? It's a deflection away from the aspects of society that people don't want to deal with. A waste of time, but hey, if it means that men/boys are wasting their time, it's okay.

I wouldn't be terribly surprised if the only people qualified to teach boys/men all of this were female.. kinda ties in with the influence that mothers have over children growing up, and the sheer amount of female teachers in education, but no acknowledgement of that influence, when it comes to the negatives. Strange that nobody finds that interesting...

There is an anti male bias in the media. Men have practically created everything we use. Female lifespans are much longer because of men.

Women's lifespans are longer because of biology and the lack of heavy concentrations of Testosterone. Not because of men. True, a lot of medical progress was performed by men, but the same can be said for women.. because since women entered medicine, they've leaned heavily towards areas which directly affect women in society.

And no, men didn't create everything we use. People did. Making claims like the above is doing nothing to promote Men's rights as a reasonable objective.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118513826#Comment_118513826

Some good points there and some rubbish - it's a bit rich saying women should be thankful for men making advances in science and health when women were denied these roles for so long.

He said that men had created most of the things we use. That's different from what you claimed above. Both are inaccurate in any case. Women have been involved in scientific progress for centuries, it's just that those who were involved were outliers, compared to the vast majority. Secondly, in some instances women were denied, but that's not the case across the board.. there simply wasn't the interest in challenging the social norms of the time.

But as to debating violence against women, many men with internet access in the past week have acted like complete dickheads, exposing their thin skin. There's a time and a place for some views, and the past week wasn't the time.

There's no shortage of dickheads of the male or female variety on the internet...

And the past week was definitely the time to stand up to the nonsense being passed around as gospel. It wouldn't have been suitable at the funeral of the poor woman, or in the face of the family... but on the internet or in public conversations, where feminists and women were pushing their own biases, and agendas? Damn right it was the time to stand up.

There has been far too much apathy among males regarding confronting feminist driven social changes in both the media and in society. If this horrible incident in Tullamore is what gets men interested and involved in protecting their rights, then at least, something good has come from the situation.

PaoloGotti

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118513826#Comment_118513826

I never quite got the likes of this attitude: “women were denied x”. By whom? Why didn’t they deny the perpetrator the opportunity for scientific discovery?! And what about the less capable men that were “denied” recognition because they just weren’t good enough? I know in my job there is actually a hesitancy to “put down” a woman vs a man. We men berate each other.

ps just in case it is misread that I view women as less capable in scientific discovery - I don’t - I just believe they aren’t as interested in that type of thing. There has been exceptions - Marie Curie etc.

dreamers75

My god what utter utter shite in the OP.

Its actually quite a simple solution, this may get technical and convoluted but bear with me on this.

I never attacked a woman(or man). My 2 adult sons never attacked a woman(or man).

Why? I hear you ask.

Because A we are not mental and B prolly raised to respect people and like not attack them.

Mindblowing ****!!!!

PaoloGotti

I can understand the serious reaction to attacks by men on women as it is similar to child abuse - the victim is “helpless” in a similar way.

I for one would support a mandatory life sentence for any form of physical assault by a man on a woman. But I absolutely can see that this strategy will not solve the problem.

Sand

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118514450#Comment_118514450

The media is not focused on making money. Media is very often operated at a loss. The Guardian, for example, is constantly begging for donations whilst still running an with an agenda that completely alienates most people. The purpose of the media is to drive a narrative, and media is often very willing to accept losing money and losing credibility to advance those narrative.

TP_CM

Took me a while but I've come to learn that those in the media basically want to make money. If there is a World Cup on, you'll see football stories, if there is a pandemic on, you'll see pandemic stories, and if there is a brutal attack on a poor young lady, I'm afraid to say, there will be stories related to that too. Whatever gets clicks will get headlines and articles. Let's see how much they care about male violence if things kick off between the USA and Russia.

It's all about capturing people's imaginations, not actually changing the world. The year that Sophie Toscan du Plantier was horribly murdered, 18 other women in Ireland were horribly murdered as well. But perhaps it was just a coincidence that the photogenic wife of a well-renowned husband hit the papers and the rest were largely forgotten about by society.

Not saying people don't care, but the picture pushed by media sites might not be an entirely accurate representation of how society as a whole feels.

[Deleted User]

You say "Mandatory sentences? We don't have the prison capacity. They are talking of locking men up once they trip the low level violence wire to prevent upward escalation."

Almost all of the articles I've read in the last week pointedly exclude references to sentencing. It's rare to see left-wing commentators calling for higher sentences (unless it's for white collar crime or violent crimes committed by middle / upper class people)

Brucie Bonus

Its about acknowledgement of the issue.

The media is far from perfect. Each outlet has its own agenda. But to dismiss everything based on that would be silly.

Dyr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118514099#Comment_118514099

It was two days before, but he wasnt young, female, or middle class, so there was no profit for the media and no agenda to be furthered thus the plain people of Ireland didnt give a ****.

People don't like that being pointed out for some reason

alchemist33

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118514020#Comment_118514020

Not within a day of the brutal murder of a woman.

DontHitTheDitch

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118513826#Comment_118513826

There is still an extraordinary disparity in the numbers of patent applications made by men than women, even women with degrees in engineering and science seem to not apply for patents at a much higher rate than other educated women. The gap was 92.5% male in 2012 and has closed a little since, however a lot of female applicants apply for clothing or cosmetic patents rather than technological innovations.

As to your second point, the media and ‘influencers’ seriously misjudged how well misandry would go down with the general population.

Dyr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118513826#Comment_118513826

When was the time and a place to point out that not long ago a working class man was shot in dublin on his own doorstep with his family inside and the media and the band wagon irish barely noticed?

washman3

The same media that insisted we should strive for "zero covid"......😁

Bobtheman

It's also simplistic to say they would have invented anything if given half a chance. No evidence of that even now.

As to thin skin men have put up with the female dominated media spouting a lot of bullshit the last week.

alchemist33

Some good points there and some rubbish - it's a bit rich saying women should be thankful for men making advances in science and health when women were denied these roles for so long.