Also...
sort of like the peados rapists and other assorted criminal scum hidden and facilated by the irasf organisation.
Not just just a few individuals is it .....
is acceptable, as long as it's SF.
The use of SF/IRA in a historical context was always deemed appropriate, it was the use of it in a contemporary context that was deemed inappropriate. However, the recent posts by SF supporters claiming that the full authority of the IRA is currently being exercised through SF members would seem to make the usage appropriate once again.
What exactly is untrue about the statement?
I've used the word SF/PIRA for ages and ive never been infracted for it. If it was an issue an mod would have gotten on to me.
Words like paritionists and West Brits are thrown around at anyone who disagrees with the SF narrative.
Show me the SF policy were they do this? I can equally say FF/FG hid and protect paedophiles and rapists. What exactly is untrue about that statement?
Its completely inaccurate is all. The IRA was an illegal terrorist organisation. SF is a political party.
Not the same. It conflates a political party with a defunct illegal organisation. If we're cool with blueshirts, no worries I suppose. A partitionist is someone who supports partition. Id consider West brit a low level smear alright.
Nothing wrong with SF/IRA, also nothing wrong with using the words partitionists and west Brits to accurately describe certain people on this site.
I think SF and the IRA were joined at the hip so it doesn't bother me at all but its inaccurate. They use it to try make every discussion a critique of the 'RA.
It is not about a policy, it is about real-life events that happened.
It is not just Sinn Fein, Gerry Adams tars all republicans with these allegations of failing the victims and communities. From his own words. This is the sort of thing that Gerry was talking about, where SF, the IRA and the Catholic Church were in cahoots to cover it up in very recent times, like this century, not decades ago.
The comments in this article damn the whole party
"It seems unlikely Sinn Féin will find itself fatally damaged as the Catholic Church was when it put institution before victim. There were priests and religious who spoke out against the Church, brave men and women who knew right from wrong. It has been striking to note that not one member of Sinn Féin has broken ranks on this issue.
Francie Molloy MP wandered initially off-message in his tweet that Paudie McGahon was talking rubbish but that was only because Francie failed to anticipate the nuance of Sinn Féin’s “We believe him but” position. For Sinn Féin, when cornered, the real issue is not whether some of its members were abusers (they were) but rather whether the IRA sheltered those abusers and/or moved those abusers from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, just as the Church did with its abusers. Another awkward question is the precise date Sinn Féin and/or the IRA started accepting the legitimacy of the Irish Government, the British Government or indeed the Stormont Assembly. Answers on a postcard, please."
These are real-life events from the last decade or two when Sinn Fein have been found to be completely lacking when it came to protecting victims and instead protected pedophiles and child absuers.
P.S. I haven't even started on Liam Adams being given a job.
They were joined at the hip but you shouldn't conflate the political party with a defunct illegal organisation.
Do you even conceptualise how contradictory your posts are?
So its not SF party policy. How do you feel about FF and FG covering for paedophiles and rapists for generations, even up to today? I assume you weigh that up too?
P.s: I haven't even started on the mass baby graves.
My point, is this the current affairs political party discussion you want?
My opinion. Also the IRA are an illegal organisation. SF are not. I explained it in the very quotes you posted.
so I'll call FF/IRA and FG/Blueshirts. Cool.
RUC took a hammering today for collusion by the Ombudsman. Lot of dirty tricks by State and others up there over the decades.
Nonsense, every sane citizen on this island understands that SF and the PIRA were/are? essentially sides of the same coin. Yes hard line unionists liked/ like to hammer home the phrase at every opportunity but that doesn't mean there is no core of truth to it.
Of course, the balance between them has undoubtedly changed and the political mission is to the fore. But we all know the back story. It's a well trodden route in our benighted history and not confined to SF.
Not relevant to the thread narrative of NI being rainbows and unicorns until the 'RA.
No new information there whatsoever, nothing worth reading.
It should also be noted that any agent that was anyway important would have also worked for army intelligence and MI5 not just the RUC.
If anything the claims made by the Ombudsman yesterday downplays collusion, all it said was that the RUC had agents who were involved in murder without the knowledge of the RUC.
That's the best form of collusion possible and what the RUC and MI5 would want you to think when you think about the word collusion.
Of the 210 top loyalists arrested during the Stevens inquiry all but 3 of them were agents who were working for some or all of the intelligence services, most loyalists were agents and if you weren't an agent you were taking orders from someone who was.
Similar rates of British intelligence infiltration to the IRA so.
Wasn’t the head of IRA counter intelligence in fact a British agent?
FF today don't speak for the IRA today, FG today don't speak for the Blueshirts today, but you have said that Sinn Fein today speak for the full authority of the PIRA today. Hence, the only link that makes sense is SF/IRA.
You're right. They happily talk about the IRA they try own though. The good murdering terrorists. We'd a FG councillor admire the blueshirts and there are strong links with the FG membership of the past too.
Anyway, its poor debate. I'll not be using FF/IRA, just showing my point.
No way similar rates, highly infiltrated but nowhere near the extent of the loyalist organisations.
I find the hyprocrisy of it galling,while.they prosper on violent actions of their parents/grandparents....
while critising those who.dare stand up for their communities in 6 counties.....utter utter hypocrites prospering on fasist roots,while across the border,their fellow countrymen are treated as 2nd class citizens and anyone who dare stand up and not live on their knees are subjected to all sorts of spurious abuse
Seems the cut off for giving a **** is when it's inconvenient.
lol your argument is that its time sfira were allowed to prosper on their violent action ???
0/10 for comprehension skills there
Off all the ex prisioners i know,all bar one lives in utter poverty....but i personally feel,any wealth/prosperity built on violent actions since partition here should be taken over by the state (same as.the blacks take over land in africa and land commission was used to break up some estates here)
Otherwhise,any/all critism of violence is every bit as conceited and hypocritical as i suspect it is
hard to believe anyone could comprehend that nonsense tbf
now your aggrieved that being an terrorist doesn't have a pension plan ? poor old provos , all they get is the easter lily money 😆😆😆
even if you only count what we know about sfira is by far the richest political organisation on this island
then some how connecting that to seizure of farms in SA ? Do you know anything about that ? i doubt it given your attempt to draw parallels
I havnt mentioned south africa....comprehension really isnt a strong suit of yours
(feel free to highlight any section,you feel is beyond you,il help clarify)
Neither have i mentioned anything about pension plans or complained about ex prisioners being poor....but sure whatever you need to say as your being destroyed.with.facts and logic
Simple qs,since yous clearly.struggle with context....
Do you think anyone whos wealth is built upon any violence since partion...should have said wealth taken over by the state??
Or at what date is violence acceptable?
Seems clear to me. FF/FG benefitted off terrorism and have issue with SF doing the same. Don't cancel each other out, but show's the hypocrisy. The grubby politics of accepting partition (some later than others) for selfish reasons IMO. We hear people with a disregard for the hard fought peace say the IRA lost because they signed up to peace. What did the FF/FG heroes do by accepting partition and what message do they send today by talking like we never had a GFA? I'll take a peace over a selfish civil war any day.
Utter verbal diarrhoea.
You might explain to me how in 2022, people in Northern Ireland are being treated like second-class citizens.
P.S. Don't bother bringing up the languages acts for the two artificially resurrected languages up there as that is a trivial matter that could have been solved by a little compromise.
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