Seems the cut off for giving a **** is when it's inconvenient.
I find the hyprocrisy of it galling,while.they prosper on violent actions of their parents/grandparents....
while critising those who.dare stand up for their communities in 6 counties.....utter utter hypocrites prospering on fasist roots,while across the border,their fellow countrymen are treated as 2nd class citizens and anyone who dare stand up and not live on their knees are subjected to all sorts of spurious abuse
No way similar rates, highly infiltrated but nowhere near the extent of the loyalist organisations.
You're right. They happily talk about the IRA they try own though. The good murdering terrorists. We'd a FG councillor admire the blueshirts and there are strong links with the FG membership of the past too.
Anyway, its poor debate. I'll not be using FF/IRA, just showing my point.
FF today don't speak for the IRA today, FG today don't speak for the Blueshirts today, but you have said that Sinn Fein today speak for the full authority of the PIRA today. Hence, the only link that makes sense is SF/IRA.
Similar rates of British intelligence infiltration to the IRA so.
Wasn’t the head of IRA counter intelligence in fact a British agent?
If anything the claims made by the Ombudsman yesterday downplays collusion, all it said was that the RUC had agents who were involved in murder without the knowledge of the RUC.
That's the best form of collusion possible and what the RUC and MI5 would want you to think when you think about the word collusion.
Of the 210 top loyalists arrested during the Stevens inquiry all but 3 of them were agents who were working for some or all of the intelligence services, most loyalists were agents and if you weren't an agent you were taking orders from someone who was.
No new information there whatsoever, nothing worth reading.
It should also be noted that any agent that was anyway important would have also worked for army intelligence and MI5 not just the RUC.
Not relevant to the thread narrative of NI being rainbows and unicorns until the 'RA.
Nonsense, every sane citizen on this island understands that SF and the PIRA were/are? essentially sides of the same coin. Yes hard line unionists liked/ like to hammer home the phrase at every opportunity but that doesn't mean there is no core of truth to it.
Of course, the balance between them has undoubtedly changed and the political mission is to the fore. But we all know the back story. It's a well trodden route in our benighted history and not confined to SF.
RUC took a hammering today for collusion by the Ombudsman. Lot of dirty tricks by State and others up there over the decades.
My opinion. Also the IRA are an illegal organisation. SF are not. I explained it in the very quotes you posted.
so I'll call FF/IRA and FG/Blueshirts. Cool.
So its not SF party policy. How do you feel about FF and FG covering for paedophiles and rapists for generations, even up to today? I assume you weigh that up too?
P.s: I haven't even started on the mass baby graves.
My point, is this the current affairs political party discussion you want?
They were joined at the hip but you shouldn't conflate the political party with a defunct illegal organisation.
Do you even conceptualise how contradictory your posts are?
It is not about a policy, it is about real-life events that happened.
It is not just Sinn Fein, Gerry Adams tars all republicans with these allegations of failing the victims and communities. From his own words. This is the sort of thing that Gerry was talking about, where SF, the IRA and the Catholic Church were in cahoots to cover it up in very recent times, like this century, not decades ago.
The comments in this article damn the whole party
"It seems unlikely Sinn Féin will find itself fatally damaged as the Catholic Church was when it put institution before victim. There were priests and religious who spoke out against the Church, brave men and women who knew right from wrong. It has been striking to note that not one member of Sinn Féin has broken ranks on this issue.
Francie Molloy MP wandered initially off-message in his tweet that Paudie McGahon was talking rubbish but that was only because Francie failed to anticipate the nuance of Sinn Féin’s “We believe him but” position. For Sinn Féin, when cornered, the real issue is not whether some of its members were abusers (they were) but rather whether the IRA sheltered those abusers and/or moved those abusers from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, just as the Church did with its abusers. Another awkward question is the precise date Sinn Féin and/or the IRA started accepting the legitimacy of the Irish Government, the British Government or indeed the Stormont Assembly. Answers on a postcard, please."
These are real-life events from the last decade or two when Sinn Fein have been found to be completely lacking when it came to protecting victims and instead protected pedophiles and child absuers.
P.S. I haven't even started on Liam Adams being given a job.
I think SF and the IRA were joined at the hip so it doesn't bother me at all but its inaccurate. They use it to try make every discussion a critique of the 'RA.
Nothing wrong with SF/IRA, also nothing wrong with using the words partitionists and west Brits to accurately describe certain people on this site.
Not the same. It conflates a political party with a defunct illegal organisation. If we're cool with blueshirts, no worries I suppose. A partitionist is someone who supports partition. Id consider West brit a low level smear alright.
Its completely inaccurate is all. The IRA was an illegal terrorist organisation. SF is a political party.
Show me the SF policy were they do this? I can equally say FF/FG hid and protect paedophiles and rapists. What exactly is untrue about that statement?
I've used the word SF/PIRA for ages and ive never been infracted for it. If it was an issue an mod would have gotten on to me.
Words like paritionists and West Brits are thrown around at anyone who disagrees with the SF narrative.
What exactly is untrue about the statement?
The use of SF/IRA in a historical context was always deemed appropriate, it was the use of it in a contemporary context that was deemed inappropriate. However, the recent posts by SF supporters claiming that the full authority of the IRA is currently being exercised through SF members would seem to make the usage appropriate once again.
Also...
sort of like the peados rapists and other assorted criminal scum hidden and facilated by the irasf organisation.
Not just just a few individuals is it .....
is acceptable, as long as it's SF.
Posters used to be banned for saying SF/IRA... a real hardline Unionist term basically.
I do not believe SF are involved in fuel laundering. I would imagine a few ex IRA lads are as are many farmers texting each other to warn of the dipping checks. You know the IRA was an illegal organisation? They use to rob banks too. I do not expect SF to out any IRA people, no.
I consider FF/FG organised crime gangs. "lessons learned" is wearing thin. I'll leave it there lest you accuse me of deflection. I don't believe SF will have the army at the ATMs. I think they are very rough around the edges but we need some party to get in who will stop the wasteful madness of the current housing policies. SF are the best option right now.
Quote me once talking about SF, that doesn't relate to calling out pro government propaganda. Go on, try it. Find one where I'm in simply to talk up SF policy, one? I've given as much praise to FG ffs. I don't like pro crony FF/FG spinners trying to attack SF or any party simply because they are worried they'll lose bums on seats.
Cool. So you don't like the 'RA. Personally I'm not a supporter of violence but I can understand why the oppressed take up arms and 'there but for the grace of god' as they say.
Any party deserves to try tackle the FF/FG crises. SF are currently best placed. I'll not sit idly by as their fanboys try talk about the 'RA every time SF do well in polls or FF/FG embarrass themselves.
I can only assume your intentionally misunderstanding ,but for clarity i ll point out that sfira can and do use the boarder to their advantage in their criminality even today , fuel and other smuggling for example ,
I dont like the idea of a organisation that i and many others consider a organised crime gang in government .
while this is a sf thread i agree that the other main political parties in this country are a disgrace too but sfira still have a lot of innocent blood on their hands and use politics to shelter their members from justice for their political and non political crimes . sfiras online trolling activity's are fairly disgusting too .
of course you know all this ........
1350 posts most intensely political in 3 months is a lot of support
I lived through the 80s and 90s watching the terrorism live on both sides and when the war is supposed to be over sfira kept killing stealing and destroying people but never answered for it because the organisation facilitated it .
Clear ?
Incredible to hear that nimrod Tully stick her nose above the parapet in the current climate.
As if what happened to Ashling Murphy remotely compares to getting into a relationship with a terrorist psychopath and its inevitable outcome.
Their only answer is something something Sf something something IRA. Sure aren't they blaming SF for the housing crisis. They also blame SF for problems in Northern Ireland when SF is in coalition just like FF is with FG and the Greens.
Agreed. There's a distinct lack of interest regarding the victims of the conflict/troubles unless the IRA were the culprits. Also there's often a bitter personal tone beyond any politics.
I don't think SF have all the answers by any means. The others have made such a poor job and for selfish reasons it's only logical to look elsewhere. SF being the best hope currently has the online civil war army showing their teeth.
End of the day it's selfish politicians using the conflict/troubles and certain victims and their families rather than looking at their own policies and trying to do better.
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