Any thoughts on this given the large uptake of vaccination for Covid in Ireland?
With good reason if you spread misinformation.
worth a read regardless of your vax state.
Why? If its the truth what's the problem?
The FDA isn't relevant to Europe.
EMA is though, I included both for thoroughness as some people point to the FDA as the authority on medicine safety.
I am vaccinated but I am against this. I say if they do hopefully they do not but if they do some how make it mandatory that we all protest against it like the water protests of years ago.
Journalists generating clickbait. The irish army rangers are not going to be holding you down for an injection.
If you read my post, they either have to be vaccinated or have demonstrated immunity (through a bloodtest).
Fines. Loss of job. Loss of welfare payment.
Irish rangers wouldn't be needed.
I don't think it's right to force anyone to have the vaccine. I do however have no problem with them being excluded from pubs, clubs, food places, gyms, gigs and any other large organised public events. It's also important to keep them off flights.
Then you are a bad person.
Why do you care so much about what's happening in this country? Don't you live in the UK and pay for your groceries in Sterling?
The safest person to sit beside on a plane the last two years has been a vax-free person as they always needed to be tested. Likewise, it’s the vaccinated who have been spreading it in pubs and clubs and cafes.
I am vax-free and have just returned from travelling in Europe. You will never decide where I can or cannot travel; and certainly not on the basis of pseudoscience.
Nah, they're just selfish pricks. They know it, people who know them know it, even if they say nothing. I don't think it's fair for people who make a little effort to protect society to suffer just because a few plague rats won't lift a finger. There are genuine reasons some can't get the vaccine, why should they stay at home just so the **** can go have some fun? Exclude them, they're not people who can be trusted anyway.
You might find yourself unvaccinated and barred from all of those places soon enough if and when the definition of fully vaccinated changes.
In Germany, for example, the Health Minister is talking about vaccines being developed for variants for what appears to be forever:
“If we get a variant that is as contagious as Omicron, but significantly more deadly, we should be able to develop and produce a vaccine in a very short time,” Lauterbach said.
The government was already preparing for this eventuality to create a system whereby vaccines could be provided at speed at any moment in the event of serious new outbreaks, he said."
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thelocal.de/20220109/german-health-minister-warns-of-naive-belief-omicron-is-the-end-of-the-pandemic/%3famp
If the vaccines worked someone else's vaccination status shouldn't matter..
What's wrong with that and what they said or did a grifter on Twitter scare you?
Do you watch the weather forecast with such skepticism?
When my next vaccine is due I'll show up. There's always a few people who will kick and scream rather than do what's good for society, be it vaccines or the rules of the road. Some don't like being told what to do, and I get that, but the current crisis has people going online, finding like-minded loons, and concocting bullshit conspiracies. Then genuine people, who are just easily led, end up believing said internet bullshit and the rumour-mill takes over and spreads it like.. a virus. A stupid virus.
I don't see what your extremely bitter comments have to do with the thread. The discussion is about mandatory vaccination, not about how unvaccinated people existing makes you feel angry.
I think mandatory vaccination will exacerbate the housing crisis by further reducing the workforce of (Central and Eastern European) construction labourers.
You must be one of the lucky ones who got Covid and lived to tell the tale.
Good luck to you, but there is no getting away from the fact that you have freeloaded on those who did take the vaccine. Congratulations on being one of the most selfish persons I have ever met.
Lack of information? You can't be serious.
I think many people are deluding themselves. Sweden the country that was going to let it rip is now heading for a more severe lockdown. While we are lifting testing for travellers arriving from abroad, Sweden is reimposing them.
COVID will be with us for another while. It's all very well to say because we have a high percentage of vaccination that we can let other off the hook. A huge section of the population has done the heavy lifting.
While I do not advocate mandatory vaccination, I do think society has a right to protect itself. If you are not vaccinated then making it impossible to go to matches, enter restaurants, pubs, cinemas, theatres etc is not unreasonable.
It looks like other countries are going to introduce rules like this or mandatory vaccination. We already see a hard line being taken by other countries. It only a matter of time before infection certs will not be acceptable unless backed up.by a vacvination history
This is just turning into another bickering thread. 'Selfish' etc.
Do the anti-un-vaccinated have to unload their bile on every thread, can they not just discuss the topic?
But your ethical viewpoint is the wrong way around..
That's terrible that she's immunocompromised or whatever, but what right does that give anyone to dictate what someone does to their bodies?..
If God forbid someone does have side effects or dies even after being forced into vaccination, does responsibility for that lie with those who forced them into it?..
If 11pm closing is a 'severe lockdown' then what do you call 8pm closing? Triple-double-severe lockdown?
If certs become permanent that affects everyone negatively, since everyone must basically justify themselves with personal data everywhere they go.
No, I'm in Ireland.
The problem is, you can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into. A lot of it does just stem from selfishness. Won't wear a mask? Won't distance? Same story. They'll wrap it up in bullshit they cherry-pick off the net, but it just comes down to not caring about others. It's getting tiresome. The problem is covid started off only really affecting people that they didn't care about. Remember at the start when people were saying it was just the flu, 'it only kills old people and they don't have long left'? I remember that, those people haven't gone away.
But it's not the only reason people are avoiding the vaccine, it's just that they're the ones I have nothing but contempt for. Needles are reason enough for some people. Know a guy who was deathly afraid of needles and vaccines because of a bad hospital experience as a kid. He was initally spouting all sorts of rubbish conspiracy stuff as his reason, but underneath it all it was just fear. He eventually got the vaccine thanks to his family, realised it wasn't so bad and is fully on board now, and fair play to him for doing so.
That's why I'm against anyone being forced to do anything, it's not ethical to start snatching people off the street and shooting them up by force. But I don't see why the old and vulnerable should be punished for other peoples' disregard for the health of society. This is going to be with us for a while, society needs to adjust to that, and I don't think letting a portion of the population suffer just because someone thinks Bill Gates has some evil plan or whatever is fair. People just need to step up and do the right thing.
Did you move down from northern Ireland recently?
It is annoying when people who live in other countries with different policies tell us what we are doing wrong. They should focus on their own government’s policies and leave us alone.
The efficacy of vaccines is plain to see by their success in reducing the incidence of serious symptoms.
Interesting article yesterday. Kinda makes the “vaccines don’t work” viewpoint look silly.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/health/covid-patients-hospitals-intensive-care-22703781.amp
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