Any thoughts on this given the large uptake of vaccination for Covid in Ireland?
Fear is one.
Lack of information is another.
Misinformation is a third. Listen to people's arguments and they will give you many reasons.
There are less good reasons now TO get the vaccine as transmission still happens whether you are vaccinated or not.
Say for a 5 year old. How would you convince a parent to get them vaccinated when you take into account the minuscule chance of serious illness should they get covid?
Same thing was said about masks for children. It was clickbait and just talk until it wasn't.
The way covid is progressing would suggest we should be moving away from this idea that we can jab our way out of the pandemic. It's a dated concept and should have been a key takeaway from 2021 once we learned that while vaccines do help prevent serious effects they don't prevent infection or transmission.
It's a bit alarming that our health response to covid in 2022 is still fixated on vaccines, it's become an obsession with this government.
We'd see much more benefit with a greater focus on other aspects of dealing with the virus that we've fallen so far behind other countries on. Higher quality masks, air filters, a focus on vitamin D to improve immune systems. So many countries in Asia are living successfully with low rates of spread with the virus with lower vaccination rates than us but we seem to be ignoring all the lessons that could be taken from there.
Ideally this is a good time for NPHET and government to take a step back and review their handling of the pandemic so far and what the messaging should be for the coming months. A further more aggressive push towards more and more vaccines just feels like doubling down on a strategy that hasn't been particularly successful.
Someone got legal advice.
I think that's being generous. "Bored journalists spotting an angle to stir some sh*t" is closer to what this was IMHO.
Ah yes, same Taoiseach who said no to vaccine passports, said the banks were not "bailed out".
If Michael Martin told me the sky was blue I'd go outside to check.
This was a kite-flying exercise, and though they didnt like the response they got, mandatory vaccines will not have gone off the agenda. Expect to see much more of this in the coming months.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/health/taoiseach-effectively-rules-out-mandatory-covid-vaccines-and-says-8pm-hospitality-curfew-wont-be-lifted-immediately-41225976.html
I think you can safely say that it was an academic discussion topic:
"Taoiseach says no to mandatory vaccination programme. He says voluntary system has led to Ireland having one of the best rates in the world - and "that's the system we will maintain".
https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1480562172115750920?s=20
I would be against this. It's endemic. It'll pick off the unvaccinated. Not worth the drama of all the protests.
I'm pro vaccine always have been but if they make vaccines mandatory I'll never vote for those in government ever again .
No matter what my beliefs are my fellow country man & women are also entitled to there own ,
It'll be a very dark day for this country
I'll be taking any protection I can get, but I'm not sure how feasible is it to force people to get a vaccine. There's a certain cohort who will fight it pretty hard, I think some level of violence would be very likely.
excellent satire..
oh...oh dear.
This is a non-story. Not a hope in hell.
You have more chances of Government TDs giving up their seats.
What's going to be hilarious and tragic is when they institute mandatory vaccination, get our uptake from 94% to 99%... and then impose restrictions anyway when the next spike/variant comes along.
No, mandatory vaccination already exists for healthcare workers against other diseases as a public health measure. Extending it to Covid for everybody would be a huge step, but there is no constitutional bar.
We’re being held ransom by vax mandate. It’s like a loyalty scheme, “ah shur you already got 2, so why not 7 or 8?”
I was a bit hesitant at the start due to these vaccines being a new technology and the long term effects of them not being known, but eventually relented to be allowed do basic things in society and to protect the vulnerable. I also clearly remember being sold 2 and done.
In my eyes vaccination is already de facto mandatory. You need it to live a basic life. I’m sure there’ll be people out there who will call me an anti vaxxer, but I’m sick to my back teeth of this.
In mandvax news:
Germany is delaying its mandvax until "May or even June".
..and Austria is delaying its mandvax until April at the earliest.
I could be wrong but IF the Government wanted to bring in manadatory vaccination wouldn't they be required to hold a referendum? Sorry if it's been asked/posted already.
Such as?
There are plenty of good reasons to be fair. Maybe just not ones you agree with.
Mandatory vaccination already exists in Ireland, there is no constitutional or legal human rights issue that would stop mandatory vaccination, should it be necessary.
I have bolded "should it be necessary", as this is a very onerous condition to meet. Currently, healthcare workers are required to be vaccinated (or have demonstrated immunity) against certain diseases such as Hepatitis, measles, etc. There are clear and obvious reasons why this is the case. Mandatory vaccination against Covid for such workers would not be a huge step.
Extending mandatory vaccination beyond healthcare workers to other at-risk occupations would probably be the next step. Other public service frontline staff such as Gardai, firefighters, prison service etc as well as private sector areas such as retail, transport etc. could be where it is introduced. However, I don't think that will necessarily happen and certainly not yet - if it does happen, it will probably be part of a more long-term strategy against Covid.
I think it extremely unlikely that mandatory vaccination will be brought in for the public at large. There would have be a major public health risk - a new mutation with the transmissibility of Omicron, but the death rate of the original virus would be the sort of challenge that might bring mandatory vaccination. As a result, I would be more worried about a scenario arising where mandatory vaccination for all is seriously considered, as we would have much bigger problems.
I don't know if that's true, but even if it is, none of those vaccines have been mRNA vaccines. I don't think we know either way tbh.
That's a bit facetious, the hospitalisation rate in the UK overwhelmingly says that you can.
But look, we're back to talking about the obese and everyone else but the unvaccinated being the woe of the pandemic despite all data being to the contrary, a bit of introspection wouldn't hurt (and I don't believe vaccines should be mandatory).
That simply isn't true though. Serious and severe side effects have been discovered after long delays.
That's where you're wrong though. This is a common anti vax talking point (not accusing you of being anti vax btw). In the history of vaccines if side effects are going to happen it will be within a few weeks of taking the dose. There is simply no good reason to think there will be long term effects.
Last time it was tried, the politician who tried it (James Reilly) lost his cabinet position and then election, probably won't ever happen now, just more money being poured into it instead.
Looks to me like you can't solve Covid with 3 jabs either.
Over the last two years it really has hit home to the Irish people how useless our healthcare system when compared to the monies ploughed into it.
This will be a big talking point going forward and your idea of billing patients won't just stop at Covid - it's time to discuss privatising the HSE. Over €20bln for this joke of a setup.
You can't solve obesity over the course of 3 weeks with 2 jabs, so there's not really a comparison there, you also have to maintain contagion protocols for COVID patients meaning they take up more resources, that's not the case with obese patients (or smokers or the elderly), there is a big difference in treating contagious diseases vs. treating everyday health issues.
You've put the United States, South Korea and India into your definition of totalitarian.
Id say you are correct nothing like coercive tactics to actually unite that front of non vaxed this will do more harm than good i think. Not clever despite us not seeing the crowds marching against these rules in German & Austria as RTE for some reason seem to be in a denial of any objections anywhere so odd. Thank god for the internet & twitter as the irish population can see whats happening with out RTE.
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