This question goes out those who took the 2 jabs? Will you you take it to get back to normality? Or are you sick of the government moving the goalposts constantly?
Lets summarise our boring debate; the readers are well aware that you AND I both agree that seat belts can kill. My comments to the contrary only resulted in a stifling of the debate (by your obsession) despite my admittance to your analysis being correct.
Yet you want something more from me. You want my blood on a plate. I can’t give you that, I’m sorry. So your conclusion is that I’m not worthy of a seat in your echo chamber. Cool.
Ignoring my questions when you can't answer them again.
Too bad I'm unconscious in the car and, you know, on fire.
But if your unconscious then your not going to performing a Houdini escape, seat belt or not.
Clearly, you hadn't considered the possibility that someone could rescue you when you made this response which, as you say, was not a joke response.
It's a very strange thing that you didn't consider that, specifically as an engineer, but it's even stranger that, dozens of posts later, you're still trying to make out that you didn't make such a mistake.
As you said, we are both on the same side, and everyone makes mistakes, so why not just admit that you messed up so that we can return to the topic at hand?
Someone earlier pointed out that I didn't make it clear that I was talking hypothetically in a particular post, and I admitted straight away that they were right and that I should have made it clearer. It was my mistake, no big deal.
You are contributing greatly to the boredom unfortunately.
How many more pages of this tit for tat bullshit am I going to have to scroll through?
It looks like the guy has now taken the "I'll just stop replying because I'm not man enough to admit my mistake" approach, so no more hopefully.
Don't forget about the report button if you think our pedantic tangent was too much!
Good lord. What nonsense am I reading? I believe you are firmly included in the reference to tit for tat bullshit. Only came and logged in and looked for a booster thread to ask if anyone had answers I had about the 5-11 announcement. Seatbelts and other sorts of rubbish, anger issues aplenty.
There's a report button if tangents bother you, and neither of us were the ones who brought up the seatbelt analogy. You don't need to read back on posts if you want to ask a question.
I apologise to every other user because I am really regretfully adding another post to this debacle.
You need a mirror, man. People don’t post for hours/days/weeks for many reasons, usually important ones involving living in the real world.
*probably.
I am currently planning to wait til March or thereabouts. The current vax pass should stay valid until then, and I recall some talk about a more variant-specific booster. Seems best not to overload my immune system if not necessary.
Notes: my covid risk is probably about population-average.
How would getting a booster overload your immune system?
I presented my extensive safety and efficacy internet research to my son and asked him what he wanted to do. He looked at me like I had two heads and said "eh, would you not just ask a GP?".
So I did, and he said "go for it, three months gap is fine".
I mean.. too much of anything within a short time period doesn't seem like a good idea ya know? The original shots are still protecting me against severe disease as far as I know. Sounds like plenty of people have been getting pretty sick from the boosters; would like to avoid that as much as possible. The reduction in transmission from the boosters seems pretty minimal, considering how many people are getting diagnosed every day. I am neither elderly nor immuno-compromised. The current variant seems mild enough where just the original shots should do the job. etc.
Absolutley no-one I know who has got the booster felt sick from taking at all (and that's a large group of people)
Recommendation: get the booster ...
too much of anything within a short time period doesn't seem like a good idea ya know?
Babies are exposed to thousands of pathogens each month that their immune system is not accustomed to. This would just be one additional exposure that gets lost in the shuffle.
There is no evidence of immune system overload, or cytokine storm as it is medically referred to, associated with vaccines. Cytokine storm is however associated with organ failure in people who are unvaccinated or immuno compromised when infected with Covid.
Vaccines help your immune system to target the Covid virus in your body when you are infected, reducing symptoms and lessening the risk of you becoming seriously ill. They do not prevent you from catching Covid. The mild omicrone variant will not be the last.
What you should be looking at is the number of infections verses the number of hospitalisations, even though over a hundred thousand have been infected recently, hospitalisations have not spiked, yet anyway. This may be due to a combination of the milder variant, and the high rate of vaccination.
Inform yourself, it really is crazy stupid that people think vaccines can overload immune systems or that vaccines prevent any risk of infection.
I have informed myself, thanks, and made my decision based on that information.
Your information about immune overload and transmission is clearly un-informed.
How have you informed yourself?
There is 1 common denominator. Constant silly arguing. Ruins threads.
I got the moderna booster on new years day....i was very weak yesterday and still ropey today.....i will say that i havent felt as run down for as long as i can remember....
I also have a young family, so i cant just take to the bed for a couple of days to ride it out which is what i would love to do....this also adds to the exhaustion i suppose...
I have heard of many people having ill effects after taking the moderna vaccine....
If i had known what it was going to do, i wouldnt have taken it...i would have preferred the Pfizer, which is what i originally got....
I am just giving my experience, I am not telling anyone what to do...
...its your choice.....
My wife and I were both double dosed with Pfizer, got the Moderna booster and it floored us the next day, fever, cold sweats, ached all over and wrecked tired. Have heard a LOT of people who got the Moderna booster had similar symptoms.
Lasted 24 hours and gone as quick as it came on.
Missed you post before posting mine. Same situation. There’s a line of information that mixing the vaccines can promote a stronger immune response and additionally that a strong reaction can mean again a stronger immune response so as much my wife and I felt like balls, we’re happy enough to have got it.
Does anyone know if we can say to the registration person in a HSE centre what vaccine we want? Seems to be the last time it was determined for me.
Things may have changed but 21st December at Cork City Hall it was Moderna only. Apparently a whole load of it needs using before end of Feb.
This is coming from the poster who started similar tit for tat nonsense when I merely pointed out to them that they could find a better, more detailed answer to their question elsewhere?
There was no option for me....they are using up moderna that will be going out of date.
Grand. But ...
The reply simply provided some alternative experience to the one detailed that
"Sounds like plenty of people have been getting pretty sick from the boosters"
As far as I can see as a rule that's square balls.
Some people may indeed feel off, tired, run down after the booster as with any vaccine
But afaics the effects are generally relatively short lived and nowt to compare to getting covid with no vaccine / booster
And btw you can check - the reply didn't tell anyone what to do. Rather it detailed what the current recommendation is: which is to get the booster.
People are of course free to ignore that recommendation....
There is evidence that in susceptible groups vaccines can cause damaging immune responses. The American Heart Association published two items of interest. The first discussed vaccine induced Myocarditis.
“Although nucleoside modifications of mRNA have been shown to reduce their innate immunogenicity,45 in certain individuals with genetic predisposition,48 the immune response to mRNA may not be turned down and may drive the activation of an aberrant innate and acquired immune response. The dendritic cells or Toll-like receptor expressing cells exposed to RNA may still have the capacity to express cytokines and activation markers in certain individuals, although this may be markedly less when exposed to mRNA with nucleoside modifications than when treated with unmodified RNA.45 The immune system may therefore detect the mRNA in the vaccine as an antigen, resulting in activation of proinflammatory cascades and immunologic pathways that may play a role in the development of myocarditis as part of a systemic reaction in certain individuals.”
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.121.056135?fbclid=IwAR1JYtSWwwArYKhXxA2f5lA_Xj1wGYC0o0-k0gFYlHUkMUQZr1IcECE45l4
The second was a report of raised heart inflammatory markers after vaccination in a group of patients with long term blood records prior to vaccination. This suggests inflammation of the heart is relatively common after vaccination.
“ In conclusion, the mRNA vacs numerically increase (but not statistically tested) the markers IL-16, Fas, and HGF, all markers previously described by others for denoting inflammation on the endothelium and T cell infiltration of cardiac muscle, in a consecutive series of a single clinic patient population receiving mRNA vaccines without a control group.”
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.10712
There is also the fact that there is a high probability that these vaccines can result in vaccine enhanced disease through antibody dependent enhancement. The risk profile is too high and the vaccination of younger age groups for whom there is no medical benefit is a fairly grim example of human nature.
The calculated risk of vaccine vs. risk of virus for myocarditis is 250:1 for young males and 1400:1 for young females and this is ignoring virus induced MIS-C and other symptoms the virus causes.
What's your source for vaccine enhanced disease through antibody dependent enhancement?
The first item concludes that vaccination is recommended and the second is complete garbage which has been discussed previously on this thread.
Where did you find references to these items?
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