This question goes out those who took the 2 jabs? Will you you take it to get back to normality? Or are you sick of the government moving the goalposts constantly?
Eh, I have two lived experiences: Covid (delta) without vaccine and Moderna booster. The booster symptoms were worse. Am I a unique case?
Do you never learn from personal experience?
No but the range/possibility of severe symptoms with a covid infection is greater than that with a booster/vaccine.
Its like paying for insurance with the side effects v your house burning down.
But one is voluntary illness (booster every 6 months) vs low chance illnesss. How does that factor into your decision process?
Edit: my house has burnt down (got Covid) and I rebuilt it in a day. Change anything in your actuarial comparison?
You are not a unique case. The symptoms are due to your immune system reacting to the vaccine. The purpose of a vaccine is to charge up your immune responce to the virus, it is therefore hardly a surprise if having received the engineered form of Covid vaccine, your immune system responds to it. People who get the regular flu jab often had flu symptoms afterwards which leads to heightened resistance to infection. Next time you get a variant more dangerous than omicrone, hopefully your immune system will be armed and able to deal with it.
Well you also factor in you can control timing of when you get the vaccine.
And by burning down the house I did not mean people who get mild symptoms from infection but end up in hospital or worse. It is a low chance but your chances are higher without vaccine for every age cohort.
For people who have gotten vaccine and infection, further boosters is a different equation I havent seen much data on. If such people think they have 'enough' protection Im not second guessing that.
Hi,
Here is my pitch for the award:
Option 1: go for a booster every 6 months, be floored for 3 days and continue with the cycle of restrictions on/off.
Option 2: get Covid every 6 months, be mildly I’ll for 1 day and be done with restrictions.
Footnote: I’m not a vulnerable person.
Thanks for listening, I hope I’m dumb enough for the internet.
Except you dont know that is how covid will hit you (or others around you) like that every 6 months.
I am not questioning the mechanics of the vaccine. I know my illness is evidence of an immune response.
I question the bloody point of the whole thing. I took the vaccine to protect others, not myself. I partake in high risk activities, Covid isn’t a worry especially since I had it. My point is that my vaccine has proven not to stop the spread in a significant way.
So give me a good reason.
Ok, your vaccine was not designed solely to limit spread, it was designed to lessen your symptoms and keep you out of hospital.
The benefit to you, your family and others is that our hospital system will be able to function as normally as possible in the treatment of other illnesses.
If you want another reason: Covid Cert.
If you want a further one: there will be more variants, they may not be as mild as what you have experienced, your vaccine hopefully will protect you. Better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.
Im an evidence based man. I got Covid, it was mild. I don’t know if I’ll get incurable cancer, I don’t plan my life like I will.
The vaccine v alpha and delta variants was shown to reduce transmission. Vaccinated people cleared viral load from their system faster and their viral output was less infectious. They had fewer infections in their close contacts.
For omicron situation is less clear.
You're not an evidence-based man if you're only looking at a sample size of one.
Bingo! Anything for a few pints with the lads. That’s why I got my last booster, but never again.
An evidence based man should realise their single experience of the evidence is narrow and limited.
Do you consider the population stats on smoking and cancer or rely on one oerson you know who smoked and didnt get cancer?
I got my original vaccines because I’m not the centre of the universe.
In that case when certs get periodically updated, get used to drinking at home.
Do you plan to crash when you put on a safety belt? Evidence shows a crash is unlikely, but even if it wasn’t law, I bet you would still do it, and insist your kids do.
Honestly, do you think my sample size of 1 is unique? Seems from this thread that boosters have been flooring people more than omicron.
I don't see what that has to do with what I said. You're not an evidence-based man if you're only looking at your own experience. That is, in fact, the opposite of an evidence-based man.
Of course I would wear a seat belt, there’s no downside. Bad analogy.
Seatbelts have led to people being trapped in cars that are on fire. There is a downside.
I’m not looking at my own experience. I’m looking at the state of the nation; boosters in low risk groups without immunity to transmission, therefore restrictions. I would gladly take the 3 day illness if it meant no further restrictions. Not for me, for society. I’ll be grand either way.
You said you are an evidence based man, evidence tells you that you don’t need a belt as the risks of crashing are low. But you do it just in case.
The downsides of a vaccine are negligible compared to the benefits. The rates of complications after vaccinations along with hospitalisations when compared to infections bear that out. When the numbers of hospitalisations/ICU admissions coming from the 6% unvaxed are compared to the 94% vaxed, that should tell an evidence based man like yourself all you need to know.
Like the majority of people, I could not care less if someone like yourself gets vaccinated/boosted, as long as you stay at home when you are infected and don’t infect anyone else.
Hey man, there’s a big red button that releases the catch.
Cockiness about your health won't get you anywhere. If there was a vaccine that reduced the likelihood of me, a relatively young person, getting cancer by 1% within a particular month, I would gladly take that vaccine each month as I regularly have hangovers anyway, and (potentially) having one more within a month would not be a big deal.
Too bad I'm unconscious in the car and, you know, on fire.
Are you suggesting the seatbelts have never leads to deaths? Because that's a really silly thing to say.
Now we are getting to the meat. So it’s the unvaxed that are skewing the hospitalisations? But I’m irrational after deciding 3! Jabs is my limit?
What vax rate did we expect? 99.9%?!
No, I work in engineering, I get it.
But if your unconscious then your not going to performing a Houdini escape, seat belt or not. Lots of variables, impossible to solve. But I get you.
Being an evidence based man, if 65% of hospitalisations/ICU admissions (I haven’t looked at figures recently so please forgive me if that isn’t now up to date) come from 6% of the population, and 35% comes from the other 94%, I would say that evidence skewers the rate of hospitalisations, wouldn’t you? Being an evidence based man.
Is that chicken skewers? Sorry!
I was agreeing with you; that’s why I think it harsh that my opinions are being seeing as possibly anti-vax. I’ve had 3 jabs and am leaning towards us as a species needing another solution going forward.
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