This question goes out those who took the 2 jabs? Will you you take it to get back to normality? Or are you sick of the government moving the goalposts constantly?
At current case numbers, however inaccurate, you'd have to expect that 500k+ will contract omicron by mid-late January and subsequently refuse their booster. It will be interesting how many will look for the booster in 3 months times. My brother got a mild dose at Xmas and has already decided not to get a booster until at least September.
With respect, you and I have no right to dictate the risk profile of one’s life choices to another. I suppose you don’t want me on a motorbike or climbing mountains either?
Of course I would wear a seat belt, there’s no downside. Bad analogy.
Jesus, I hope you're joking about your occupation. If you're an engineer and didn't think that there was a downside to wearing a seatbelt, e.g. strangulation, drowning or my fire example, then that's very worrisome for your career prospects. As someone who previously lectured first year engineers, where I discussed the pros and cons of both airbags and seatbelts and why we use both, I found your statement very weird.
That and the fact that you think that an evidence-based person would consider only what happens to themselves, certainly not something an engineer would say.
But if your unconscious then your not going to performing a Houdini escape. Lots of variables, impossible to solve. But I get you.
Even this statement is weird. If you crash your car and someone reaches in as your car starts smoking up, they cannot see your seat belt buckle. It would be more likely that they could pull you free if you're not wearing your belt. Likewise, that red button you mentioned? That can become damaged and stop working if you are in an accident.
A truly bizarre claim of your occupation, I hope it's a joke.
Where did I say that? You specifically referenced your own experience when challenged with general stats. How about stop changing the goalpoats its getting a bit obvious.
The people omicron floored arent posting on the thread. They are in hospital or bed with other priorities maybe?
Getting a vaccine or infection is like rolling a 100 sided dice. There are more numbers with severe outcomes on the dice for infection than vaccine.
You dont seem to understand sampling and the fallacy of composition.
You regularly have hangovers which means you regularly drink to excess?
Quit alcohol - very very very most likely more than 1% reduction in the likelihood of you getting cancer when you consider the amount of cancer linked to consumption of alcohol, and you don't even have to get a vaccine! You also don't clog up our hospitals if you do get alcohol related cancer or suffer from an alcohol related condition or use up the precious resources of our front line staff if you fall down the stairs in a drunken stupor.
Is that chicken skewers? Sorry!
I was agreeing with you; that’s why I think it harsh that my opinions are being seeing as possibly anti-vax. I’ve had 3 jabs and am leaning towards us as a species needing another solution going forward.
Being an evidence based man, if 65% of hospitalisations/ICU admissions (I haven’t looked at figures recently so please forgive me if that isn’t now up to date) come from 6% of the population, and 35% comes from the other 94%, I would say that evidence skewers the rate of hospitalisations, wouldn’t you? Being an evidence based man.
No, I work in engineering, I get it.
But if your unconscious then your not going to performing a Houdini escape, seat belt or not. Lots of variables, impossible to solve. But I get you.
Now we are getting to the meat. So it’s the unvaxed that are skewing the hospitalisations? But I’m irrational after deciding 3! Jabs is my limit?
What vax rate did we expect? 99.9%?!
Too bad I'm unconscious in the car and, you know, on fire.
Are you suggesting the seatbelts have never leads to deaths? Because that's a really silly thing to say.
Cockiness about your health won't get you anywhere. If there was a vaccine that reduced the likelihood of me, a relatively young person, getting cancer by 1% within a particular month, I would gladly take that vaccine each month as I regularly have hangovers anyway, and (potentially) having one more within a month would not be a big deal.
Hey man, there’s a big red button that releases the catch.
You said you are an evidence based man, evidence tells you that you don’t need a belt as the risks of crashing are low. But you do it just in case.
The downsides of a vaccine are negligible compared to the benefits. The rates of complications after vaccinations along with hospitalisations when compared to infections bear that out. When the numbers of hospitalisations/ICU admissions coming from the 6% unvaxed are compared to the 94% vaxed, that should tell an evidence based man like yourself all you need to know.
Like the majority of people, I could not care less if someone like yourself gets vaccinated/boosted, as long as you stay at home when you are infected and don’t infect anyone else.
I’m not looking at my own experience. I’m looking at the state of the nation; boosters in low risk groups without immunity to transmission, therefore restrictions. I would gladly take the 3 day illness if it meant no further restrictions. Not for me, for society. I’ll be grand either way.
Seatbelts have led to people being trapped in cars that are on fire. There is a downside.
I don't see what that has to do with what I said. You're not an evidence-based man if you're only looking at your own experience. That is, in fact, the opposite of an evidence-based man.
Honestly, do you think my sample size of 1 is unique? Seems from this thread that boosters have been flooring people more than omicron.
Do you plan to crash when you put on a safety belt? Evidence shows a crash is unlikely, but even if it wasn’t law, I bet you would still do it, and insist your kids do.
In that case when certs get periodically updated, get used to drinking at home.
I got my original vaccines because I’m not the centre of the universe.
An evidence based man should realise their single experience of the evidence is narrow and limited.
Do you consider the population stats on smoking and cancer or rely on one oerson you know who smoked and didnt get cancer?
Bingo! Anything for a few pints with the lads. That’s why I got my last booster, but never again.
You're not an evidence-based man if you're only looking at a sample size of one.
The vaccine v alpha and delta variants was shown to reduce transmission. Vaccinated people cleared viral load from their system faster and their viral output was less infectious. They had fewer infections in their close contacts.
For omicron situation is less clear.
Im an evidence based man. I got Covid, it was mild. I don’t know if I’ll get incurable cancer, I don’t plan my life like I will.
Ok, your vaccine was not designed solely to limit spread, it was designed to lessen your symptoms and keep you out of hospital.
The benefit to you, your family and others is that our hospital system will be able to function as normally as possible in the treatment of other illnesses.
If you want another reason: Covid Cert.
If you want a further one: there will be more variants, they may not be as mild as what you have experienced, your vaccine hopefully will protect you. Better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.
I am not questioning the mechanics of the vaccine. I know my illness is evidence of an immune response.
I question the bloody point of the whole thing. I took the vaccine to protect others, not myself. I partake in high risk activities, Covid isn’t a worry especially since I had it. My point is that my vaccine has proven not to stop the spread in a significant way.
So give me a good reason.
Except you dont know that is how covid will hit you (or others around you) like that every 6 months.
Hi,
Here is my pitch for the award:
Option 1: go for a booster every 6 months, be floored for 3 days and continue with the cycle of restrictions on/off.
Option 2: get Covid every 6 months, be mildly I’ll for 1 day and be done with restrictions.
Footnote: I’m not a vulnerable person.
Thanks for listening, I hope I’m dumb enough for the internet.
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