This question goes out those who took the 2 jabs? Will you you take it to get back to normality? Or are you sick of the government moving the goalposts constantly?
Maybe you should follow the advice of scientists so instead of politicians, you'll understand things better.
Each to their own its obvious that having an alternative opinion is not allowed., I support all of you who have complied & been vaxed and I also accept the opinions of the un vaxed as we live in a democracy and are entitled to have an alternate opinion. A small thing i must add is the fact that we are taking these meds to avoid a catastrophe in the health service.
For 30 years we have elected people to make things work there, they have failed and failed miserably and due to their failure we are becoming drug addicted so as not to overwhelm the health service . Maybe instead of segregating each other & insulting each other we should ask our selves why we tolerate this imcompetence from a bunch of numpties who are over paid under worked but didnt lose a penny of salary in the last two years unlike a lot of us.
We are following these same numpties advice on vaxing ourselves & our children perhaps in a quiet moment over xmas we should ponder this thought over a nice warm drink. God bless you all ( vaxed & un vaxed )over the Xmas.
Probably just will get Omicron instead, since it'll probably happen anyway
Well same as you entitled to make your choice, they entitled to make their choice & not to speak to you as it clearly touches a nerve. My best friends husband is heading into his 3rd week on a covid ward (& has at least one more week to go) also was convinced if he got it he could fight it himself & called the rest of us sheep etc Now she'll be on her own with the kids for Christmas & he is taking up a hospital bed. At least she had the sense to get hers (much to his annoyance) so she got it like a head cold & she can be with their kids. I will be honest I'll be polite for her sake (as she's been through enough ****) & but I'll struggle to speak to him.
Covid is not a cold, it manifests like that in some people but in its range of outcomes covid is a whole other level of threat. It is a numbers game in terms of how many people it can infect and put into hospital.
Maybe we should have been thinking twice about who we visited when sick and what consequences it might have for the people we visited. If you want to take that risk yourself that is one thing, but maybe going into a vulnerable person's home with the flu shouldn't be acceptable.
Pre covid I've seen sick people come into work, or come back too quickly. Consequence, over the next few weeks half the team gets the same illness and deadlines missed.
You are not just protecting others, you are also protecting yourself, by ensuring there is hospital and ICU capacity there to treat you for whatever medical issues you may have, covid or not. And before you say, that's the fault of the HSE for not increasing ICU beds, countries in Europe with more ICU beds than us are going down this road also.
Getting the boosters means while you can still get covid and get infected, you are less likely to do so than if double jabbed and far less likely versus unvxaxxed. And I stand over my previous point, more people in every cohort will end up in hospital without the booster than with it, if we rely on your advocacy of "just get covid".
What's the way out of it? Boosters to get through this crisis with moderate restrictions, next year treatment pills will be coming on stream in quantity... and yes maybe there will need to be an annual vaccine. Living with covid doesn't mean carrying on as before. We should be looking at ventilation and things like people turning up obviously sick.
Got mine yesterday from the GP, mid 30’s,. It was very different from the original, just a big queue of people they had vaccinated previously, in and out the other side of the building in a couple of minutes, they must have done 300 ish in an hour or so,
I was a bit on the fence but feels like the right thing to do, for myself anyway.
Your recommending people don't get a booster and instead go catch covid. I won't say what you really are as i'll get banned.
The same group that are screaming to get boosters to protect the vulnerable (me!)
Also say ignore the guff from the vulnerable who is telling you her experience.
The Covid Cult are just as Loopy as the Conspiracy Cult.
You'll find this forum is very black and white and suffers from a fair amount of groupthink.
I wish you a speedy recovery and you will join the large group of people getting natural immunity every single week.
Sorry my facts and experience don't fit your doom porn narrative.
Okay Walter.
Oh it is very convinent, or perhaps its just science that vaccines work.
You believe what you want, but I know if my husband hadn't of been tested I would have carried on with life and never suspected covid.
If I was sick do you think I'd have the ability to function and debate online? I'm bored at home in isolation so here I am.
How convenient for you to catch covid and have only a runny nose to suit your agenda.
Get the booster folks and don't listen to this type of guff.
I'm almost 10 months out from my vaccine, so the memory b cells and memory t cells clearly still work even after Nabs have waned. Many many scientists are talking about this component of the immune system but for some reason the antibodies is all anyone focuses on.
Nothing gives 100% protection to anything in life. I've never lived in fear of being part of the small percentage that something bad might happen to, and I refuse to do it again. The only thing guaranteed is death.
As for spreading it, this I'm aware but if spreading to other immune or vaccinated individuals then the very small percentage chance is not something to be afraid of.
And perhaps you think that is selfish, that's fine, I think it's selfish for a very small percentage of the population to want to close all pubs, schools, shops, family gatherings etc to protect them. How were the protected before 2020, I'd bet a lot never thought about restricting other people to protect them.
What is your endgame, covid will never be eradicated, it will circulate in society as does other viruses. Do we lock down every time cases go up? Do we vaccinate constantly (I'm actually not even against a tweaked yearly booster like our flu vaccines) Even though the Who have said vaccination is not the way out?
For me, this is my end game. I will never not enter a friends home who has a cold again. Do you not think at some point there will be no isolation for covid, I believe this will happen sooner or later.
As for booster giving control, we'll actually it just gives the illusion of control, as anyone who received the booster and caught covid within the month and had to isolate can attest to.
They aren't 100% effective. Their protection against severe illness and death is still very good after 6 months but drops to about 70%. Getting vaccinated is a huge jump in protection, a booster is more of a marginal gain \ upgrade \ re-up.
So while your strategy means mild outcome for most - there's a percentage for which it will have severe outcomes, even among low risk cohorts. More so than will get side effects from a booster vaccine, which restores your protection to 90%. It's a numbers game.
You can't pass on the vaccine, you can pass on covid if you have it, and you may be infectious before you realise it -> therefore increasing the numbers, and increasing the numbers of severe outcomes.
Getting a booster means you can control things. The booster also restores your protection against any infection - the unknown is for how long. So if you are coming up to a period where you can't afford to be downed by covid, getting a booster puts the ball in your court.
What is dangerously stupid about it. Do you not believe vaccines work. I do. I trust them 100%. They protect from severe illness and death. So what's dangerously stupid about catching a mild virus and obtaining immunity that the vaccines don't give.
If you don't believe the vaccines work, why are you getting a booster?
Your opinion is dangerously stupid. Hopefully people don't take it on board.
It is not novel to anyone vaccinated or recovered. Have a look at any interviews from 2020, the main concern was it was novel and we didn't know how the individual immune system would react.
Vaccines were literally made to train our immune systems.
As for the comment, my logic implies I think they're the same thing, that is how you interpertated that comment.
In fact, I'm simply pointing out that just as I'm not worried about catching any cold, flu or respiratory virus throughout the year I'm not worried about catching covid again either.
I have never (prior to 2020) not visited a friend or relative who had a cold/chest infection/flu. I never thought twice about it. And that's exactly how I will be going on again now. If your double vaxxed and boosted and still afraid, this includes making comments of I don't want to catch it at all, I'm sorry but you need to seek professional help.
In springtime there's going to be a lot of people suffering with PTSD when omicron helps us reach the herd immunity that vaccines never did.
Ok, thanks for that. I'm not on twitter. Best leave it until the afternoon so.
HSE Twitter says no queue at the show centre Swords (Cloghran) at the moment, running until 11am, then again from 1240-4.
Croke Park starts at 1240 today, earlier than on the website. There's also clinics tomorrow afternoon and evening.
No Q at Swords the tweet says.
Nothing about Q at Croker, it doesn't open till after 12.
Your same logic implies it's not novel to anyone's immune system the world over. It also implies you think they're the same thing.
I was checking the HSE website there....I can only see Croke Park administering vaccines in the afternoon/evening. So if I go tomorrow morning will it be a wasted trip?
What's the wait times like now? Hopefully I get it one way or the other tomorrow.
Getting mine this afternoon..
I get numerous colds a year, covid isn't novel to my immune system, either is any other cold and flu. If I caught the newest strain covid every 9 months forever I wouldn't care.
Are you going to take a vaccine for a strain that's no longer around, every couple of months?
Yes the data looks very very good. I don't buy into the 'but thats South Africa' argument. When Delta was ripping through India, I dont recall people saying 'but thats India'.
Do you plan on getting Covid a couple of times a year?
Just an update, I have tested positive for covid. This was my preference to a booster. I have a runny nose. No headache, no scratchy throat, no cough, no temperature. I'm on day 3. I'm very high risk (originally cat 4 for vaccine)
Husband is fine.
Kids have no symptoms.
My opinion, get vaccinated to protect against severe disease, then get covid to gain immunity from the infection. Boosters perhaps are usefully for elderly people to avoid infection at all.
Your post is a bit highly strung so I am reluctant to reply but 'far less risky', nice choice of words. I guess you have labelled me as anti-vax now 😉
Let's wait and see but I would expect <50% of parents with 5-11 year olds to take the Covid vaccine. I haven't met one yet.
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