This question goes out those who took the 2 jabs? Will you you take it to get back to normality? Or are you sick of the government moving the goalposts constantly?
Sure you were
I find it laughable to see cranks on here giving out about people who are giving out about people who are queuing for Boosters
what business is it of theirs
Yes. But that is semantics. Suppose Jimmy and John are both alcoholics with damaged livers. Jimmy gives up and tries to give his liver a chance to recover. 6 months later they both need transplants. There is one liver available. The doctors reason that it won't benefit John as he refuses to stop drinking and there is more chance of success for Jimmy. If they had unlimited livers available and only two people needing them then both would get one.
Similarly, should resources become constrained, then the resources need to be prioritised for those who benefit most. If there are two covid patients and one is vaccinated and one not, then it would be reasonable to conclude that the vaccinated individual likely has a better chance of recovery and should get the bed.
We do treat alcholics and smokers but we don't have a blank cheque for them. There is no reason why we should have a blank cheque for anti-vaxxers. If you wanna take the chance and roll the dice because you are afraid of a little jab then you should live with the consequences, or die with them if it comes to that. I"ll reserve my sympathies for those who did their best and still were unfortunate to succumb - not the scroungers who refused to contribute.
The above doesn't even take into account that the vaccine is a social good and necessity for the population overall. Alcoholism isn't physically contagious.
If ya wanna opt out, then opt out. Go bitch to Jim Corr if ya end up needing hospitalization.
I could care less what you do with your body or your kids and i never said squat about mandatory vaccines.
I commented on how it's laughable to hear others give out about people queuing up for vaccines like it's any of their business.
very few are against vaccines
but many people are against mandatory vaccines especially for children
i hope you can understand that, I really do
I don’t care if you have a 100 jabs or you give your children vaccines
but don’t lecture me what to do with my body and my children, that is none of Anyones business
There is zero downside tbh. Laughable to hear the cranks on here giving out about it.
Yeah, but isn't that due to the lack of benefit? It's not a moral judgement.
they are still treated to the cost of millions per annum to the taxpayer
they use up huge resources for a self inflicted illness, they are very selfish and only think of themselves and don’t give a damn about the community
i don’t believe a word of the above, but The above is the same reasoning some would use against people who don’t vaccinate
Actually if you are a drinker and refuse to give up, you would likely be not considered for a liver transplant even if you needed one.
You are the one who said no vaccine then no treatment if you catch covid
then why not same for smokers, drinkers, drug addicts and the obese
i love posting stuff like the above because people like you have no answer and it’s funny seeing you saying words in reply like crank, conspiracy, anti vacs etcetera etcetera
I was trying to be fair to you but you are a crank. I’ve met anti vaxer’s in my line of work and it’s the same silly argument. Neither of those 3 scenarios above cause a personal medical issue for the professionals caring for them, covid quite simply does and has killed medical professionals. Get vaccinated and stop pedalling your lies.
I think a lot are queuing today so it's extra protection for Christmas parties and New Years tbh. I don't think there'd be half the queues if Christmas wasn't in a week.
Ya fair point.
I am of the opinion that you are an obese person and you rock up for treatment you should not only be refused but publicly shamed- same for smokers
if you report to A&E for drinks and drugs you should be dragged out and thrown in the nearest river
and if you over 80 you have had enough resources used up in your lifetime, please fly to Switzerland and sort your sh1t out
do you think that is too harsh? well when I read your musings it sounds exactly like that
Christmas Eve morning? You could be absolutely floored on Xmas day! I think many people are rushing to get them now so they don't feel unwell/tired at Xmas.
Partly true.
The vaccine gives you personal protection against getting really sick but that’s not guaranteed. You can still get covid and have no symptoms and you can spread the virus but the antibodies in your system will make it transmissible for only two to three days maximum.
For the unvaccinated, if you get sick there is a much greater chance of hospitalisation but that’s not guaranteed either. You may get lucky. But, you are far more transmissible and up to 7 to 10 days.
Depending on the scientific study used the days of transmission changes from 2 for vaccinated to 10 for unvaccinated. That’s what the fringe elements are arguing about and using to their advantage to apply scare tactics. As long as these people get airtime/social media time and we continue to have a significant population who refuse vaccination, this lockdown after lockdown will continue.
I’d be of the opinion at this stage that if you are able to get a vaccine, fit and healthy and you refuse to take a vaccine but rock up to a hospital for treatment for covid later, then you should be turned away at the door. The Hippocratic oath will never allow that.
The new Pfizer pill which has not been released to market by authorities as it is in testing, will cover some eventualities. It is claimed (marketing blurb with no independent scientific data) that taken within 3 days of getting covid, it reduces your chance of death by 89%. Don’t know if it’s planned as a over the counter/prescription/hospital controlled drug.
Yet they are incredibly effective as vaccines go and remain the only show in town.
Any one without vaccine immunity will get it in the next few weeks, they'll then have immunity, everyone then will have some level of Immunity. Same as with countless viruses and diseases over the last 2 centuries.
A weaker immune response is still enough in that the body has experience in fighting a disease.
COVID 19 will probably be around for a long time to come, it will be just another virus people get and unknown to most and cared about by less. That's in pretty short order.
Surely, for many people, it would be the convenience of being able to pick a day to go to the vaccination centre? You might decide that you aren't doing anything else on a Sunday morning and can get up early and get it out of the way rather than getting an appointment at 4pm on a random day when you might be busy/working.
The main purpose and durable protection is defence against severe covid. This aspect also wanes but only slightly so boosters there are mainly about toppong up thst protection especially for the most vulnerable.
They also stop many instances of transmission by preventing infection and reducing viral load in those infected. But this aspect wanes hence the need for boosters. This explains increases cases.
How about responding to the study findings which contradict your claims.
Heart attack?
Yeah I'm not gonna bother getting the booster for the 2 reasons that you've mentioned.
The ability of vaccines to reduce infection had been proven at an individual level in clinical trials and at a population level in differential rates of infection in various age groups as they are vaccinated, and by the low reproduction rate in a highly vaccinated population with few social restrictions.
If you don't get infected you cannot transmit the virus onwards.
As the variants evolve to evade neutralising antibodies (acquired by vaccination or infection) the level of protection drops, but it is still significant.
The reason people are queuing for boosters today is that they want to go into a period of social contact with as much protection as possible. This is on the back of sound public health advice (completely distinct from the ridiculous horse trading around restrictions).
I got there for 7:20am. There were 12 people ahead of me and the next 20 arrived seconds after me. They came in very big numbers and as I drove out a 9:10am, the queue was looping on itself. Traffic on the Punchestown road in both directions was stopped with cars queuing to get in. Think race day numbers !
My friends father got the booster shot and he dropped dead two days after getting it. He was 63 with no underlying issues. God love him, may he rest in peace.
explain please
Best thing to do would a self booking system. Online portal where you can book your own appointment.
This is pseudoscientific nonsense.
Sometimes you are better off going later than earlier? And keep an eye on hse on twitter for queueing times.
The source is the continuous lockdowns and restrictions for the vaccinated , that’s the source
even before the newest variant we had restrictions and on fully vaccinated , reason for this is the vaccines work by defending the host against the virus but does not stop the host from spreading the virus
that’s a reality
How early is early to start to queue? When did people start queuing?
If I had of gone today I would have been there before 8am. It opens at 9am on a Sunday.
Source?
The vaccine protects against infection and reduces transmission. After 2 doses it was 70 percent which wanes over months to 33 percent for pfizer. The booster restores protection, the unknown is for how long.
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-boosters-not-only-replenish-immunity-against-transmission-but-lift-it-too-new-data-shows-12469600
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/covid-booster-shot-reduces-viral-load-limits-transmission-israeli-study-finds-1.10224174
