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Formula 1 2021 - General Discussion Thread (Read 1st post rules)

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,947 ✭✭✭ Hijpo


    Faugheen- "I don't think Max is intentionally trying to take Hamilton out"

    Also Faugheen in their very next post - "like Hamilton has at most of Max's attempts to crash into him"

    Says it all really.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,892 ✭✭✭✭ El_Duderino 09


    I would be pretty comfortable betting that Lewis would have won that race in a straight shootout. Max never looked faster than Lewis at any point, even on fresh meduim tyres vs Lewis on fresh hard tryes. Lewis was faster than Max at the beginning, and the whole second half of the final stint. And won the race comfortably in the end.

    I don't really see any chance of a tight battle for the race win next weekend unless something happens to slow Lewis down like a safety car or crash or similar.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,580 ✭✭✭✭ namloc1980


    What sort of nonsense is that? You say Hamilton would be leading the championship but for Monza while you completely and totally ignore the 40 point swing in the championship from the absolutely appalling Mercedes driving in Britain and Hungary. Verstappen would have finished second in Silverstone only for Hamilton punting him off the track and would've got at least a podium in Hungary. And that's the championship done and dusted right there. But you don't care about that because you think Max is being mean to poor Hamilton.

    I also have to laugh at the Hamilton fanboys telling everyone else to stop moaning about his dangerous manoeuvre at Silverstone while at the same time crying over Max in Brazil and Saudi - races Hamilton won anyway. Absolutely laughable. Also what about Mercedes carry on yesterday with the safety car and whinging and crying over the flag like a bunch of babies? No comment on that I suppose.

    And I never said Verstappen was a saint or that Hamilton was evil - that's just pure nonsense you made up to try to support your point. He's at and goes over the limit but Hamilton is well able to do that as well.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,804 ✭✭✭ Burkie1203


    I think a lot of the dislike for Hamilton is borne out of the nonsense we heard form him on the radio yesterday


    Imola he was able to change tyres and damaged parts without losing any ground

    Silverstone he was able to do the same


    Red flag yesterday and he was whining about Max being able to change tyres. There is very definitely something about his demeanour where this is all a conspiracy if everyone being out to get him, he was at it in Sochi last year when he accused the stewards of being out to stop him because he couldn't be bothered to read the race directors notes.


    Hamilton ran Rosberg off at Austin 2015 in the exact same Manner Max did yesterday and didn't get a penalty. There is a few other examples of him doing the same on YouTube.



    Hamilton quote - Paul Ricard 2018 after Seb hit Bottas at T1

    "Hamilton was pleased with his performance but critical that Vettel had not received a harsher penalty. “It’s disappointing for the team,” he said. “We all go into turn one as hard as we could but when someone destroys your race through an error and it’s only a tap on the wrist and you are still able to come back and finish ahead of the person you took out, it doesn’t add up.”



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,101 ✭✭✭✭ flazio


    Agreed. In Formula E whenever a Full Course Yellow (VSC) is called all cars (plus the TV audience) can hear race control count the FCY in and out. But in my opinion, Massi should have told Mercedes first that he's about to tell Red Bull to tell Max to swap and then instruct Red Bull.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,260 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Weepsie


    The problem is, when it's Hamilton aggression, or just plain old mistake or dirtiness it's always "that's racing" and it's been that way for 14 years.


    Anyone else and they're a chest , or they're dangerous quietly forgetting Hamilton's chequered career*

    * Even taking into account his superlative driving.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭ coillcam


    I know it's during the usual time slot for rugby, football etc. Would anywhere in Cork be showing the race on Sunday?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,686 ✭✭✭ quokula


    According to Red Bull Max was only slow at the end because of tyre damage incurred when Lewis ran into the back of him, so he had to nurse the car home because all the shenanigans plus the penalty meant there wasn’t enough of a gap to Ocon.

    The Mercedes was clearly the faster car, but it’s impossible to say who would have won without all the interference from the FIA. Mercedes was clearly faster in Austin and Max won. Mercedes locked out the front row in Mexico and Max won. Max was robbed of the opportunity to compete at Qatar by a penalty and Brazil was easy mode for Lewis with the new engine and trick rear wing.

    Whenever there is no outside interference, collisions or tricks, Max has pretty much a 100% record for beating Lewis regardless of being in a slower car, he always makes better starts and maximises strategy to keep track position, so I wouldn’t rule out the same thing happening again for Abu Dhabi but it will certainly be difficult.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,796 ✭✭✭ Frank Bullitt


    Not sure I agree but we of course don't have to :)

    I still think the plan for RB was pole and then just match the Merc, the speed difference was compounded with different tires. Max was making the time up in the first sector to then compensate the DRS. He fell foul of the Virtual Safety car when it was lifted after the sector he made the most time in. Not saying he would have been able to hold onto that with the mediums, but RB had no choice really but to go on them for the restart.

    I still think they are close on raw pace, had Max gotten the pole, Toto said the gap would have been 4-5 tenths, so there is still a performance balance between the two teams.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,580 ✭✭✭✭ namloc1980




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭ coillcam


    Spot on, cheers. It's listed on their website under other sports sections.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,404 ✭✭✭ cj maxx


    Just on the map of Abu Dhabi posted above. Is that straight really that long ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,580 ✭✭✭✭ namloc1980




  • Registered Users Posts: 8,404 ✭✭✭ cj maxx




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,947 ✭✭✭ Hijpo


    I don't think they would if they were genuinely neutral and don't lead with "I'm not a Hamilton fan but...." before writing an essay on how Verstappen tries to intentionally crash into anyone who makes a move on him.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,726 ✭✭✭ Faugheen


    Says the one who has excused everything Verstappen has done this season.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,215 ✭✭✭ Jordan 199


    I will be keeping an eye on the battle for fifth in the consructors championship, something I have been doing for the last few races. Alpine who are 5th at the moment with 149 points and Alpha Tauri are 6th with 120 points. I'm hoping Alpine will hold onto 5th.



  • Registered Users Posts: 309 ✭✭ steinbock123


    Does anyone know the exact changes to the Yas Marina circuit this year ?

    Anyone seen a map showing the new layout ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 396 ✭✭ barryribs


    I agree with a lot of this, but on the last paragraph I'd argue that Max has been like this all year. Imola, where they made contact and forced hamilton off the road, Silverstone prior to Stowe where they made contact, Spain where he forced hamilton off the road, Monza sprint where he forced hamilton off the road, Brazil where he forced Hamilton off the road. The outlier of course to this is Stowe at Silverstone, coincidentally it is the only time Max found himself on the outside of all the above moves.

    I don't like either of the drivers involved, but it's not fair to say that Max hasn't been overly aggressive this season. He showed a maturity in his driving last year that has evaporated this year, enabled by Horner (who's behaviour has been disgraceful) and inconsistent penalties by the FIA.

    Hamilton is the same as he's always been, when things don't go his way, its a big conspiracy to stop him. Weak at wheel to wheel racing and always capable of a brain fade moment at any opportunity.

    Regardless of who wins, next Monday I'll have to get up and go to work. Max or Hamilton are not going to pay my mortgage, no matter how many 3000 word essays I write on here defending every ridiculous action taken.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭ McFly85


    Imola and Spain are the only 2 I really disagree with, that get brought up a lot. I've watched them both again and both times he's gotten his car on the inside far enough up to consider the corner his. He runs slightly wide but if Hamilton stands his ground there then there could be a crash and he would be at fault for it. When the contact happened at Silverstone, Toto was trying to argue that it was Max' fault for moving in as Lewis had been alongside him enough for him to be able to consider the corner his(but the replays showed he wasn't near enough beside him).

    Since Brazil, as I've said I definitely think he's been more erratic as he tries to get some sort of foothold in each race. The FIA have almost abdicated responsibility for fear that they will wreck the title run in.

    Overall though I find people are really looking for examples of him being dangerous to fuel the narrative that any and all contact he's involved in is his fault.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,580 ✭✭✭✭ namloc1980




  • Registered Users Posts: 396 ✭✭ barryribs


    You are absolutely right and the key point is ' if Hamilton stands his ground there then there could be a crash'. So when Hamilton doesn't yield and Max comes off second best, lets apply the same standards.

    Imola and Spain are both the same move, take a massively early apex so you purposely run wide and run out of road. I said at the time that Hamilton's mistake at Silverstone was dropping too much speed, trying to make the corner on the tighter line, when he's been given a lesson all season that the FIA consider it legal if your on the inside to just run it wide and force the guy on the outside out of road.

    What Max has achieved this season is phenomenal, in what has been a slower car for most of the year, combined with unforced errors and bad strategy by Hamilton and Mercedes, but to say that he's not been over the limit with a lot of his driving this year is not exactly true. What I would like to see is some consistency by the FIA, not applying arbitrary penalties for the sake of it, and Toto and Horner to stop badgering the FIA every time something doesn't go their way.



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