Boosters

Azatadine · 24-11-2021 12:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118215270#Comment_118215270

Got it at my GP.

Lumen · 24-11-2021 12:52PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118215253#Comment_118215253

I didn't think there were any preservatives in the Pfizer vaccine. Do you mean the polyethylene glycol?

Anyway, approval by EMA should be soon.

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/ema-evaluating-data-booster-dose-covid-19-vaccine-janssen

The outcome of this evaluation is expected within weeks, unless supplementary information is needed, and will be communicated by EMA.

But will we have supplies?

CiboC · 24-11-2021 12:58PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118215282#Comment_118215282

Did you just ring your GP to get an appointment?

Azatadine · 24-11-2021 01:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118215344#Comment_118215344

No, I had an aortic valve replacement a couple of weeks ago and I'm getting blood tests daily to get my INR (anti coagulation) within range. I need to take warfarin for 3 months post op. As a result, I fall into the "at risk" category so they offered it to me. I would have waited until called if it hadn't been offered.

Economics101 · 24-11-2021 01:19PM

Is Prof McCraith's Vaccine Taskforce still functioning> They did a brilliant job in many respects, and I can't help feeling that they have either been dispensed with or sidelined in some way. This means that the HSE are back in control, and there are all the signs: delay, confusion, and the lack of updates to Covid Vaccine Certs to incorporate booster shots.

When you add the delays: NIAC taking days to consider things, then NPHET taking days to consider NIAC's findings and then the Cabinet having to sign off on what should be routine medical issues, we will end up with a total mess. Why not approve boosters in principle for all age groups and let a Vaccine Task Force handle the timing, logistics and implementation issues?

JoChervil · 24-11-2021 03:26PM

I won't take Pfizer booster either. When they offer AZ booster I will take it.

If I was vaccinated with Pfizer in the first place, so then I would follow it. Because they were developing them for quite a long while since the first Sars. But for how long researches were conducted for Pfizer boosters after AZ? Only for few months? I won't be their guinea pig, sorry.

Wibbs · 24-11-2021 03:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118215253#Comment_118215253

Until the talk of boosters gained traction(mostly from results of Pfizer in the real world and panic over rising infections in general even in the vaccinated) J&J while having lower results than Pfizer/Moderna out of the box was shown to have strong efficacy including against Delta for at least eight months and it was found immune memory cells actually increased over time. Even today this is repeated as being the case, the script now is boosters just increase that efficacy, particularly in antibody levels, but the biggest benefit is seen after six months between initial vaccination and booster of J&J.

I read somewhere a while back that of all the vaccines J&J seemed to mimic "natural" infection recovery immunity the most. I must try and find that article again.

BruteStock · 24-11-2021 05:28PM

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02795-x

India have not even hit a third wave despite only 23% of the population being fully vaxxed. The reason for this is large swathes of the population have developed natural immunity through anti bodies.

On TV last night Prof. Luke O Neil claimed the booster provided better immunity than natural anti bodies. This man is a liar. He has a proven track record of being 100% wrong when it comes to vaccines. He wants your children as young as 5 to get fully vaccinated and boosterd for years to come , leaving their natural immune systems in tatters.

https://theconversation.com/why-are-covid-cases-in-india-decreasing-despite-the-low-double-vaccination-rate-171736

astrofool · 24-11-2021 06:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118217034#Comment_118217034

a) hundreds of thousands of people in India died as the virus went through the population (probably a lot more).

b) vaccines work with a persons "natural immune system" not against it, to say otherwise means you don't understand how vaccines work

Lumen · 24-11-2021 06:19PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118217211#Comment_118217211

virus? What? I thought they acquired "natural immunity through anti bodies"?

Tony H · 24-11-2021 07:44PM

got my booster in my local pharmacy today , a few days under the five months but it went into the system and into my arm , 61 year old male

thebaz · 24-11-2021 08:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118216369#Comment_118216369

I got AZ at start of summer, got a booster on Monday of Pfizer, after speaking to medical advice I was advised it will give good immunity , fealt a bit ropey yesterday - vaccine working - feal back to normal tonight - glad and grateful to have got it so soon, and feal protected.

looksee · 24-11-2021 10:14PM

If you - or someone you know - are in the older age groups and are eligible for a booster vaccine do not wait indefinitely for a notification of an appointment. First time round all older people were automatically called for their vaccination. Now you may have to make an appointment either through your gp or through the HSE.

This may vary depending on the GP but some of them are not notifying patients, patients are supposed to somehow know that they need to make an appointment and if they are not used to using a computer or smart-phone they could be still waiting for a notification. Radio ads and even today an article on RTE suggests you will be called/notified/invited to attend, this is not necessarily the case.

It is important that people have boosters, especially elderly people, so please mention it to people you know, they may be waiting to be called.

Dayor Knight · 24-11-2021 11:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118217034#Comment_118217034

Luke O'Neill is a highly qualified immunologist who has be studying this topic for many years. Yet you think you know better and call him "a liar" because you don't like what he's saying.Yeah right.

25-11-2021 11:44AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118218762#Comment_118218762

Luke isn't just highly qualified, he is also very very highly respected within his field. He is to immunology, what Garth Brooks is to Country and Western.

is_that_so · 25-11-2021 11:47AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118219932#Comment_118219932

A bit of a has been?!

is_that_so · 25-11-2021 12:00PM

An observational study but no doubt one which will be taken as gospel.

https://www.thejournal.ie/vaccine-pfizer-efficacy-covid-19-coronavirus-5611310-Nov2021

astrofool · 25-11-2021 12:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118220030#Comment_118220030

I thought we had numbers showing it began to wane before that but that the antibody starting point was ridiculously high (3x that of the adenovector vaccines) so it didn't really matter? The question is what it wanes to and where the inflection point between infection risk and severe disease risk starts to cross over.

brickster69 · 25-11-2021 01:39PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118220030#Comment_118220030

What about from the health ministry of Israel's findings from July and August which they released. It was from every single person in the country who only had one vaccine. Just observational eh ? Unfortunately the all stopped when they started the boosters so we have no way of knowing what the real situation is today until the NHS release the data shortly.

is_that_so · 25-11-2021 01:51PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118220549#Comment_118220549

That it is observational is stated in the report. I just included that detail as a piece of information.

SusanC10 · 25-11-2021 02:17PM

I am still a bit confused on the lower age which EMA has approved for Booster shots - is it 18 or 16 or 12 ?

Not looking for NIAC ages but EMA.

BruteStock · 25-11-2021 02:25PM

I believe it was Radio 1 that had Luke O Neil on this morning. To my surprise the disk jockey put him on the spot with some hard questioning sent in by listeners. One particular question that piqued my interest focused on why Covid wasn't running rampant through Africa despite a low vaccination uptake.

One of the reasons given by O Neil was age. Because such a large portion of the population isn't elderly , he credited lack of transmission to young , healthy natural immune systems. He said they were riddled with other diseases too which hardened their immune response but thats besides the point.

The main point he made completely contradicts his stance on vaccination for every child in this country from the age of 5 upwards. Of course he is too high on the smell of his own farts to take notice of his contractions or even care. But the data shows transmission is best tackled by building anti bodies through natural immunity. So why does he insist all ages from 5 to 24 subject themselves to an endless onslaught of vaccinations. They will be knocking their immune systems back years and as a result will keep covid a high presence in this country for many more years into the future. His pinned tweet tells you all you need to know about this fraudster.

astrofool · 25-11-2021 02:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118220739#Comment_118220739

There is little difference for an immune system being stimulated by a vaccine and being stimulated by the virus other than the former being without the risk of the disease (and targetted against specific parts of the virus depending on the vaccine), it's still the persons immune system doing all the work, the vaccine does nothing as it leaves the body within days.

They will be knocking their immune systems back years and as a result will keep covid a high presence in this country

BruteStock · 25-11-2021 02:39PM

https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/people-who-have-already-had-covid-19-could-be-less-likely-catch-delta-vaccinated

"People who have already had COVID-19 could be less likely to catch Delta than the vaccinated"

Elmer Blooker · 25-11-2021 02:45PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118217572#Comment_118217572

Did you make an appointment for your next booster while you were there?

corkie · 25-11-2021 02:47PM

Mr Varadkar said he had "profound concern" for people who got the single-shot Janssen vaccine and said he hopes to have a positive decision on giving these people an mRNA dose soon.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/1125/1263074-covid-restrictions/

How to get your booster

You do not need to register for a booster dose.

You will get your appointment around 5 months after you complete your vaccine course. People most in need of a booster will get their booster first so you may have to wait longer.

https://www2.hse.ie/screening-and-vaccinations/covid-19-vaccine/get-the-vaccine/covid-19-vaccine-booster-dose/

51 And got Janssen in June, so not really expecting the booster till January.

is_that_so · 25-11-2021 02:50PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118220837#Comment_118220837

This is not as glib as it looks! We'll have to see what Israel do first. Once they start booster 2 we're all in.

SchrodingersCat · 25-11-2021 03:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118220857#Comment_118220857

Yep. Considering that people who got the Janssen vaccine had a preliminary lower rate of protection compared to the mRNA vaccines, its probably a bigger concern that they get the booster.