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Austria hits panic button.

spaceHopper

I see Austria has hit the panic button and thrown the toys out of the pram.

They locked down unvaccinated people gave no time for that to have an effect and now is demanding everybody gets vaccinated by Feb 1st.

What they should have done is lock down everybody for a month then release the vaccinated people and keep the unvaccinated locked down until cases were below say 200 per 100K if they go back up to 800 per 100K do it again….

State wide antigen testing would also help.

You can't force people to be vaccinated may will rebel and say no, what are they going to do? Lock all of them up in prison?

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Danno

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118207064#Comment_118207064

Ah, so in your view only those who are unvaccinated are folks on the dole. That's quite the alternative reality you've created for yourself there.

Danno

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118207109#Comment_118207109

I certainly won't be laughing, but I will say I told you so.

My meagre pursuit in commenting on here is to contribute where I feel the previous and current national policies are hopeless. As I mentioned earlier, I was a keen supporter of MHQ until the vaccines (a.k.a. preventative therapy) were deployed.

I totally disagree with you when you say this whole thing is not about saving face. Every action this government and NEPHET has taken has been to save face.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118207126#Comment_118207126

As posted a few posts earlier, I'd be confident there is a fair overlap there. You can feel free to prove me wrong. Given you guys like to demand absolute proof that there are unvaccinated people in a given ICU bed at a particular point in time etc. etc. , sure I'll turn it around and ask you to prove that there isn't a strong overlap between dole scroungers and anti-vaxx scroungers.

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118207195#Comment_118207195

Funny how you think all people who choose not to get the vaccine are anti vaxxers. You still haven't told me if you got the annual flu vaccine every year for the last 20 years.

But I guess answering this would make you a hypocrite maybe?

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118207222#Comment_118207222

Ah, another conspiracy theorist who thinks covid is just another flu.

And yes, those against vaccines are anti-vaxxers. I'll give you a hint - the clue is in the name.

If someone wants to be a scrounger and not do their bit and take the vaccine, then there isn't a lot that we can currently do except call them out on being a scounger.

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118207250#Comment_118207250

A bit insensitive to downplay the annual flu no? Given how many people die from it every year.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118207269#Comment_118207269

Well I have gotten the flu vaccine every single year it has caused a pandemic and every single year the WHO and HSE and health officials stressed its importance for public health and every single year it caused lockdowns. Especially when it was highly recommended that my age group get it.

I actually even got it in some years that the above recommendations didn't happen.

You get it every year yourself I take it - yeah?

growleaves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118207195#Comment_118207195

We know that many of the people are Eastern European guest workers.

They left Poland and Romania to earn Irish wages in areas like construction.

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118207299#Comment_118207299

The HSE have been stressing the importance of the annual flu jab for years - and you could have easily requested it from your GP or in a pharmacy. But you didn't. So does this make you an anti-vaxxer?

I didn't get the flu vaccine, but I'm not the one throwing accusations at everyone who chooses not to get vaccinated for whatever reason

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118207336#Comment_118207336

Well you are just making things up now so I'll leave you to it.

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118207348#Comment_118207348

Hm, turns out you can stump the Trump after all!

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118207432#Comment_118207432

What do you want me to argue? I said I got the flu vaccine every time it was recommended that my age group get it and every time there was a public health emergency etc etc and that I also got it a few times when the preceeding wasn't the case.

Mr. Conspiracy theorist then decides to tell me I never got it. What am I supposed to argue with him? Send him a video of myself standing near a compass with its needle spinning to prove to him I got a vaccine in the past?

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118207545#Comment_118207545

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118207562#Comment_118207562

Jeez, desperation tactics have set in. What years was it recommended for your age group to get it? The HSE have never changed aged-based recommendations for the seasonal vaccine, so I look forward to this answer.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118207599#Comment_118207599

You are the one creating a false equivalence between flu and covid 19. I never said it was recommended for my age group. (Hint covid 19 is).

I did however get the flu jab in the past even though it wasn't recommended.

Do ya think the flu is made up as well maybe? Perhaps the lizard people are behind it to prevent people finding out the world is actually flat?

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118207625#Comment_118207625

Great, I appreciate the honesty. So using your own criteria, you are officially an anti-vaxxer.

I don't downplay the seriousness of the seasonal flu, so not sure why you are asking if I think it's made up.

funkyzeit100

The vaccines are better than nothing.

The true problem is that they aren't the magic bullet that was promised/believed.

That letdown, combined with the overwhelming sensation on everyone's mind of "now what?!", have people frothing at the love lips.

There's no vision anymore, or way forward, or end in sight as of now. And the natural reaction, whether stupid or not, is to rail against the stupendously short-sighted restrictions and lockdowns. Touch of cabin fever to it all.

Someone, somewhere, better get these ducks in a row because rioting and general collapse are coming otherwise.

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118207655#Comment_118207655

Do you get the flu vaccine Markus?

DT seems to get it whenever recommended but it's usually not critical to get most years (they aim for about 30% coverage), is this trying to equivalence class someone with yourself? (who I'm guessing is an ardent anti-vaxxer?). The question you should ask is "If public health ran a campaign to get it and made it free to access, would you get it?" and the answer from DT would probably be yes, what is your answer?

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118207432#Comment_118207432

It gives a great indicator as to who you are trying to engage.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118207676#Comment_118207676

I got it this year for example as they were recommending it for everyone. Although I had to pay for it. It is available for free to certain categories. I wouldn't have gotten it every yer for the last 20 years which appeared to have some significance. I lived for a good part of those 20 years abroad and my employer used to have a day where they would provide it for free. Nothing to do with HSE unfortunately as it was abroad. I never checked whether it gave me superpowers or tracking devices or turned me into Magneto

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118207655#Comment_118207655

Nope. I never made a conscious decision not to get it. Nor would I recommend anyone else not to get it. Nor would I try to dissuade others from getting it.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118207830#Comment_118207830

The EU must not have been reading the news. They don't appear to have gotten on to the other countries or regions that have introduced similar restrictions aimed at unvaccinated only.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118208260#Comment_118208260

Czech Republic. Slovakia. Some regions in Germany.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118208319#Comment_118208319

Certain regions in Germany have additional restrictions for unvaccinated. You can google for it. Example below.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-59337955

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118208346#Comment_118208346

As I said, google is your friend. I can't keep posting links for you that can easily be found

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/czechs-slovaks-target-unvaccinated-people-step-behind-austria-2021-11-22/

The Czech Republic and Slovakia banned unvaccinated people from hotels, pubs, hairdressers and most public events from Monday after COVID-19 cases filled hospital intensive-care wards, and were mulling harsher steps to stem the resurgent pandemic.

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-prague-czech-republic-netherlands-5cb2209dde767393d185c4df78b24095

Link to the document for Czech Republic in anticipation that that will be doubted too https://www.mvcr.cz/mvcren/file/2021-11-22-valid-measures-pdf.aspx . That is the official Czech Ministry of the Interior website

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118208416#Comment_118208416

That is irrelevant to the point I made which you contested. I will copy and paste the entirety of that post below:

The EU must not have been reading the news. They don't appear to have gotten on to the other countries or regions that have introduced similar restrictions aimed at unvaccinated only.

Some countries have introduced similar restrictions aimed at unvaccinated only. That Ireland has some of those restrictions already in place strenghtens that point, not diminishes it. I did not use the word "lockdown" in my post. I have no interest in getting into semantics.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118208597#Comment_118208597

Austria hitting some "panic button" apparently.

sozbox

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118190417#Comment_118190417

It’s quite unbelievable given the mountain of evidence around the world that I have to say this but here is goes

the vaccine does not prevent transmission!

soon most of the cases and hospitalisations here will be solely in the vaccinated.

who you gonna blame then? The people not taking the vaccine are not responsible for its utter failure.

problem is, government and media have fallen yet again into the group think mindset and pinned all their hopes on the vaccines.

no plan b. No hospital capacity increases. Nothing.

Stop blaming your fellow citizens for a monumental government mess

sozbox

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118190602#Comment_118190602

If the vaccines don’t prevent transmission then how will more vaccinations lower case numbers?

Lumen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118209565#Comment_118209565

It is misleading to state that vaccines don't prevent transmission.

sozbox

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118209595#Comment_118209595

Vaccines do not prevent transmission