I hate when they say things like that. I always compare it with the board of a football club saying the manager has their full support. What they really mean is "We're getting ready to sack him."
The airports won’t close if there is a lockdown, so at least we’ll be allowed bail on this country. I’ll be off to a Portugal if we have yet another lockdown.
Do you really think there'd be riots in Ireland? The only good thing about Ireland is that it's an hour away from England.
We can do both, demand a better health service, and hope the unvaxed see sense.
It would be obvious to most that the vaxed would make up the majority of positive cases, after all 92% of the country are vaccinated. The significant number is the hospitalisations due to Covid and the implications on our health systems and particularly for the treatment of others. The fact that such a significant percentage of those patients come from the small minority of unvaxed is of course what concerns the most. It is hard to ignore the 63% of ICU admissions since April, even for the most ardent of opponents.
You see fanaticism, yet have a poor grasp of why the concern exists.
They are not insignificant in the context of their disproportionate presence in ICU and hospitals are they?
Something is very amiss with your logic if these insiginificant numbers of the unvaxxed are one third of covid patients in hospital and half of those in ICU?
In the next 3 months getting more people vaccinated is going to yield more results than tackling the mess that is the HSE.
Given how much political attention and resources have been thrown at Health in the last 20 years... the problems appear to run very deep.
How about doing the right thing by demanding better from the health service / health ministers etc... People like you have become more fanatical and cult-like than the actual anti-vaxxers themselves. Because the numbers they make up is completely insignificant. The vast majority of covid patients are fully vaxed. 2/3s in fact
I think we did brilliantly to get to 95%. I wasn't sure we would get beyond 80%.
However I don't for one minute think we will get to 95% vaccinated + Booster.
Future Covid lockdowns 'not inevitable' - Coveney.
Can you please explain how the government trying to stem the direct death toll from covid, and indirect death toll by way of an over-stretched health system (regardless of how badly run it is) by way of scientifically tested approaches such as vaccinations and restrictions is comparable to facism?
I’m all ears
Germany has under 70% fully vaccinated. ICU capacity is one step. Better medical practice is another
Its clearly obvious that they don't have a strategy beyond lockdowns and hope during that time the virus will vanish entirely.
Lol yes he did. There's definitely fighting spirit in your posts.
Boris has handled it really well unlike the clowns we have here then again the brits have a lot more fighting spirit than the Irish.
Couple of problems with that...
We have the HSE not the NHS, so less capacity, so we can't run the same risks \ live with the same case count as them
We'd have to accept significantly more deaths which is what the UK has versus us per capita over the course of the pandemic & we no longer have a 'Teflon Taoiseach' unlike BoJo who seems to be able to get away with political strategies that would fell a mere mortal like MM.
They were very quick to start vaccinating and look into treatments such as steroids.
So our strategy is... vaccinate, and I think hope these new treatments from Pfizer, Merck etc make the difference for severe covid cases between home treatment & hospital; hospital versus ICU.
How about reducing the non vaccinated in ICU? Taking up 50% of beds easier than doubling the beds in ICU.
But Germany has the most beds per capita and has gone back into lockdown, by what extent do we need to scale up to mitigate against the risk of collapsing healthcare system.
Let's start by having their medical capacity and competence first. First step could be quadrupling our per-capita ICU capacity.
Its not a lockdown in the sense of your can't leave your home, and are restricted to how far you can travel. Airports won't be closed.
What's the strategy for getting out of this? Life has been ruined by Covid, we need to have grown up discussions about the way out. Time we copy the Brits who have been proven right whatever the **** media want to say about Boris Johnson.
Never ever going to get to 100% vaccinated. We have an excellent uptake, it won’t improve much from here.
covid is not going away.
it’s time to be honest with ourselves and have a grown up conversation about what this and next winter look like.
Here's an anti-vaxer documenting her end-of-life, defiant till almost the end, then admits she screwed up.
Make them watch the compilation, then ask if that's what they want. And if they want the HSE administering the treatments this woman got.
https://www.sorryantivaxxer.com/post/amy-briar-bement-47-rush-county-in-customer-service-mgr-anti-vaxx-dead-from-covid
You had me for the first paragraph but then just went totally off the rails..
Every new restrictive measure and lockdown proves the last one didn't work, or the one before that, or the one before that.
Our lives being wasted away is all thsts being achieved. How long more will we let spine less slugs strip us of our god given freedoms.
and the bloodied slave rose to his feet, thrust his hand into his defiant chest, tore out his own heart and threw it at the aggressor, sayin' "Free from bondage!... Free from phuckin' bondage, you hear!
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I dont & wont try to convince any unvaxxed to take the vaccine, it is their choice, just like the old mantra so successfully used to get abortions into Ireland "my body my choice" but that mantra was only useful for that medical procedure and not for an unvaxxed to utter in defence of their stance. Two faced government its only your body when it suits the agenda and not your body when it doesn't suit. I am perplexed to be honest and i hate any form of domineering from anyone,I honestly feel for the 5% who will be even more vilified before we are done.
Perhaps you could ask her to talk to a doctor and get proper medical advice about the best option for her situation.
Perhaps explain to her that if there is familial history of cardiac issues, infection with Covid, which is a distinct possibility now with rising numbers, could be fatal. That is what a friend could do, and it would not be patronising.
Well a friend of mine lost her mother at 54 due to a massive heart attack. She also lost her auntie at 60 or 61, cant remember. She does not want to take a booster because she is worried about the possibility of heart issues (e.g. myocarditis). Should I patronise the hell out of her point her to the well published benefits of vaccines and tell her to cop the fcuk on etc etc. No, I wont. It's up to her and I respect whatever decision she makes.
Is there anything more that could be published about the benefits and safety of vaccines bar long term studies (not possible) which could make a difference to those who will not see?
Are there any more stark examples of the implications of refusal of a vaccine than full ICUs, cancelled life saving operations, and yes, probable lockdowns? What more can be done for these people?
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