This question goes out those who took the 2 jabs? Will you you take it to get back to normality? Or are you sick of the government moving the goalposts constantly?
The risk of side-effects with one administration of the vaccine is reasonably low. As you take more and more, the overall risk of a side-effect adds up.
It's like running across a quiet road with a blindfold - do it once and your chance of getting hit is quite low. Run back and forth again and again and the chance becomes much higher. A person who is ignorant of probability might say "well ive run back and forth five times without being hit so I feel quite safe doing it".
I don't think it's all about people believing that the vaccines don't work. The original message about vaccines has changed, especially in relation to transmission. Sure, that's Delta to blame but it does make people question the overall effectiveness of the vaccinations. Equally the likes of Israel even hinting at a possible 4th booster does not persuade people that we're on the right path with this. I think most people would accept that offering boosters to older groups and those more vulnerable to COVID is a no-brainer. After that, though it becomes a question of perception of risk, which there was little argument over when there was no protection against the virus.
Ultimately there will be lower response levels in under 60s groups, something one would assume the HSE have taken into account. Unless the boosters are used to update the COVID cert, an approach almost guaranteed to undermine support for vaccines even more, we need to accept that some people just don't see that risk in the same way. While the proportion of those not vaccinated in the original programme is very small, the booster distribution is likely to be less unbalanced and we could be talking about 30% or more opting out.
Are you compensated for sick days?
I won’t. 3 vaccines a year is way over the top, sorry, especially since for me it would have to be 6 days off altogether .
I don't understand the logic where people are saying "the vaccines don't work so I'm not taking a booster".
In January we had a less transmissible variant, cases quadrupling in a week, and double the numbers in ICU. My kids were out of school for months.
This time round we have Delta, almost everything open with advisory WFH, and nobody is panicking.
I honestly think that some people believe the increased transmissibility of Delta is a fabrication invented by politicians and public health advisors.
"COVID spreads after vaccines have been rolled out so vaccines don't work so I'm not taking a booster" is the same logic as "I crashed my car under the speed limit, so speed limits don't work, so I'm going to ignore them".
I want to have as much social contact as possible with the lowest risk of getting sick or infecting other people. Government advice or regulations are completely irrelevant in this analysis. If there's evidence that a booster reduces those risks, I'll gladly take one. Pfizer's profits are neither here nor there. I don't rail against the cheesemongers when I decide to eat more cheese, and I don't rail against broccoli farmers when doctors advise me to eat more vegetables.
They are going after the unvaccinated mainly due to the erosion of confidence in the vaccine itself that will accompany any severe lockdown.
After queuing up to get a vaccine the first time round the numbers for the boosters is likely to plummet and the government knows this full well.
I think you have to understand that this virus is completely new, there is no precedent for it so the experts really don’t know…they are certainly doing their best with vaccines but no one knows for sure what could happen next. I’m not telling you to take the next jab, I’m older than you and I will because I have a lot less years to live with any after effects than you do. But breaking a social contract? Seriously?
"Words matter" 😄 You sound like one of those screeching Karens on Twitter.
At least the whole Covid saga has given your life some additional purpose. Good luck with the boosters 😄
Fully Vaccinated. I wont be getting a booster though.
Know of one who wandered into their GP and another planning to do the same thing. Neither would be officially approved by age but may be one of the two vulnerable groups.
Yes re boosters (in 2 weeks time as it happens)
Sick generally of this appalling Government and Leo prouncing around the Middle East, going on CNN and claiming 5% of the Population he's supposed to be representing are causing all the trouble was infuriating and frankly outrageous. It's the very Government he's apart of that's causing all the trouble, absolutely inept, incompetent, completely in denial and now intent on causing devision, it's disgusting.
We're all in this together, my **** Hole 😡
i was reluctant to take the vaccine early in the pandemic days. eventually i got both vaccines as a precautionary measure last year as no-one really knew where the whole pandemic was going..but now i believe we have a greater understanding of the virus, enough to be making informed choices regarding my body. (age/underlying condidtions,risk etc) I will under no circumstances be taking any more vaccines shots/boosters. I will allow my immune system to deal with the virus in a natural way from this point onward. I have had 2 shots and also contracted covid which my body dealt with.
Got j&j jab in August. On and off headaches since.
Got covid 3 weeks ago. Will only take a booster if it means eating and drinking indoors
Don't know of many who have got the boosters yet, except a mate and a cousin.
Both had 2 days of sore heads and aches.
Not great to hear, but will still get mine.
I'd get a booster yeah, but I sure hope those passports don't start coming in versions. The moment I am asked for my Covid Passport Premium Plus I want off this planet.
Interesting data from a Moderna trial participant
https://twitter.com/NealBrowning/status/1460630344672034824
"Dose" is hardly descriptive. If you recover from a common cold and a month later walk into a house of people suffering from same with snotters everywhere you won't get another "dose" of it. There's a difference between exposure and infection. If you recover from covid and a month later walk into a covid isolation ward, unless your immune system is compromised, it's extremely unlikely that you will catch covid again in that scenario.
punished! how?
You've essentially been "immunised" twice. Once by natural infection and then a "booster" of the vaccine on top later on. I've linked to studies earlier in the thread that demonstrates that the vast majority of people well north of 90% have a robust immune system memory at 8 months after recovering from Covid and one that actually increased over that time, even though antibody levels dropped. The same was seen with J&J.
Yes, i have a bigger fear of viruses than of jabs.
Indeed and note again it's Pfizer in the mix. Like Ireland Israel went all out for the Pfizer vaccine. And both are now gung ho for boosters of same.
I would like to see a breakdown of vaccines and efficacy over time in the real world. I'll bet now that some do better than others and Pfizer isn't one of them.
Your body has had one dose of the virus, that you know about.
I would say and outside of hardline anti vaccine types or I always do what I'm told types it's because the data is contradictory, and there's a lot of data. Earlier in the thread we had a poster who has been vaccinated and has recovered from mild covid two months ago being told ah sure you need get a booster. That's a complete medical and scientific bloody nonsense. His covid infection was a booster. Near countless studies by top people in the field published in highly respected outlets have consistently demonstrated that the vast majority of people after infection or vaccination or both show an active immune response to this pox at the eight month stage. Indeed studies into J&J, AZ and "natural" immunity shows immune system memory B cells increased over that time.
Now you will always have outliers. Just as you will see breakthrough infections even deaths among the fully vaccinated, you will also see deaths among "active healthy" individuals, or the under 40's, but while tragic on a personal level these are outliers. After nearly two years since somebody coughed in China the overall realities are clear: Covid 19 is the single least deadly pandemic in modern history. The vast majority of Covid 19 deaths are in those over 65s. The average age of death for Covid 19 is within months of the average age of death full stop. The chances of dying or being hospitalised with Covid in the under 40's are small, in the under 20's they're so small as to be barely countable and those that do die are almost entirely those with serious pre-existing conditions*. Vaccination has massively reduced deaths in the old and vulnerable and treatments for those that do end up hospitalised has come on too.
Other realities are: we don't have a health service fit for purpose and have feck all spare capacity and this was blindlingly bloody obvious long before this pox showed up. Hospital corridors bunged up with the sick and dying on trolleys especially in the winter was an all too bad joke for decades and remains so. Helath services across the modern western world have been caught out by this, but especially here in Ireland.
We'll have to re-evaluate the phrase "avoid like the plague" because people very often don't. We will always have the anti vaccine types, just as we'll always have those who will bypass critical thinking and defer to experts. We have to account for both, but especially the former. Experts are often wildly contradictory even in the face of other expert's consistent data. QV the early advice on masks, the ridiculous notion that closing down gatherings at midnight will do a damn thing about case numbers, the active blindspot around transmission in schools. The list is long.
*as an aside, IMHO we've become too complacent in the face of modern medicine regarding many of these serious conditions. Obesity and type 2 diabetes for example. Over half of Irish men are overweight or obese. Irish women are less likely to be overweight, but about as likely to be obese. In the over 35's those percentages go up. One in five Irish kids is overweight. Maybe this pox will have us re evaluate things and put down the forks, but I doubt it.
Got Covid in Jan 2021. Got 2 shots of the vaccine. Can my body take 4 doses of the virus in a 13 month cycle??? No effects so far but Worried that I hitting overdose levels and the 4th dose could be the one to trigger some other problem to my body. If I get my mind over this... I will still have same problem on the call for the next booster and the next booster.
So .. am on the fence at the moment
Actually my mother will not take the jab, so I might not be the best person to ask.
If that's all it's about then why do it all? Why do you want those people "punished "? There's a weird kind if mass hysteria at play here, not gonna lie I'm slightly looking forward to the dissection of all this in the future and how it came to be. Assuming I survive of course
I will take it.
I just do not want to be punished in the same way as those who are not jabbed, thats all.
Just like the study on the original two jabs but then it dropped to 50-60%
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/great-news-as-research-suggests-mrna-vaccines-offer-long-term-covid-protection-1.4607245
Or maybe not really . Who knows
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