You do know that only 20 percent of actually icu are covid patients? Of the 125 in at the moment, 30 are covid related. Paul Reid admitted this on radio yesterday morning
Think about that, Covid alone accounts for 20% of ICU patients. How much will that percentage increase if infection rates continue to rise?
Actually that's unbelievable. I assumed they were all covid cases they were reporting. That is totally misrepresenting what's happening.
? Not so sure
He stated yesterday on the radio just after eight that 20 percent of icu patients are covid related and it was 10 percent in January. He forgot to mention that the country is fully open now and was shutdown in january because we didn't have vaccines. They are misrepresenting the figures to cover up the **** show that is the hse.
Do people think that everyone in icu has covid?
Is it any wonder that politicians won't say anything that could even vaguely be construed as a "promise", when so many hold them to it like it was a cast-iron guarantee?
This is a worldwide evolving situation - yes, even two years later, and yes, even more so in Europe at the moment, and we're one of the worst in Europe.
This thing of "oh they just want to keep control of us for ever and ever" is ridiculous - do you not think that MM and the government's absolute dream scenario would be to say "off you go now, it's all over, as you were" - and as for why Tony Holohan would want to keep an iron grip on the whole country???
Yes, our hospital and ICU capacity (or lack thereof) seems to be at the base of all our current problems - but it is what it is, and we have to act accordingly for what we have right now. Getting that sorted and capacity increased is a much longer-term project (that they should have started two years ago when all this kicked off).
I don't think we'll get back to full lockdown á la Spring 2020, but I really hope the politicians will have the nerve to impose restrictions where they are most needed and will have most impact (I'm dreading seeing the fallout from three or four full-capacity matches in Lansdowne and all the associated socialising that went with them, for example - and if I'm wrong and there's none, well, no-one will be happier than me!).
This all has a horrible sense of déja vu from last year for me, and I'd far prefer they acted sharply in the short term than string it out, let Christmas happen (again), and then we spend half of next year (again) trying to recover.
That's incorrect
It's 20% of all icu patients are unvaccinates covid cases. Another 20% are vaccinated covid cases
The rest of the patients are other issues
We have roughly 300 icu beds so 40% is 120 or so
You've figures all arseways there.
What exactly did he say or have you a link to the interview?
Does it matter what the percentage is?
If ICU is full (or more than full, which is the case in Limerick now), then all non-Covid care starts being affected or cancelled, staff are co-opted from other areas to cover the higher dependency care, and it all starts to fall apart.
Not to mention the fact that as infection numbers rise, the numbers of health care staff infected also rises.
Totally wrong, there are 120 people in icu of which 30 are covid related. According to your maths above iicu capacity is full at the moment. The capacity is 300.
Of course it matters, the hospitals were a **** show before covid and still are. To say its completely down to covid is nonsense but that's what the hse are representing to the public.
So you're saying that the ICUs in Ireland are currently at less than 50% capacity?
I don't know the actual figures, but I don't think heads of departments would be out in front of their hospitals declaring serious emergencies if that was the case?
Something up with those figures. Can you provide a source for them?
30??
The end result is the same, though - hospitals are under severe pressure for capacity, and staffing levels, and increasing covid infections are only going to make that worse.
Then non-covid care gets affected.
Arguing over whether it's down to covid or not is just semantics.
It's on the newstalk website somewhere. Yesterday just after eight am.
Icu capacity is 300 and we never got near full capacity due to lockdowns etc
there are 120 in icu now of which 20 percent are covid related.
Im sure Paul Reid can clarify this very easily....
From this link -
as of 11.30am today, 121 confirmed covid cases in ICUs
I know, was just questioning numbers posted by poster I replied to.
Paddy, are you telling porkies?
I sincerely doubt anyone thought that all ICU patients were Covid related, even if you are right, for one disease to make up 1 in 5 of all icu admissions is startling.
Yes and how many have covid? All it states is 120 in icu not what they are there for. As I said I'm sure Paul Reid can clarify it...
And I was just making sure he could see the numbers if he couldn't be bothered clicking into the link!! 🙃
ETA - now to make sure that he understands the numbers......
Read my post again......
I think you might have taken it up wrong.
Of current hospitalisations with covid, about 20% are in icu. There are around or just above 600-650 (not sure of the current number) in hospital with covid. 20% of that in icu would be in and around the 120 people quoted.
The elephant in the room is money and finance, already covid has cost the government 40 billion euros, they simply cannot afford to open up the PUP payments again, they are actually desperate to close it completely off and transfer the remainder onto social welfare proper. Thats why they won't lockdown again , they will just frighten the bejaysus out of everyone
Oh, thanks ,😀
Christ, you are hard one.
From the horses mouth?
This interview?
around 20% of COVID patients in ICU' - Reid
This interview? 20% of covid patients in hospital are in ICU, that's completely different than saying on 20% in ICU are in for covid.
To be fair, they are reporting it that way.
Never once have I heard them say that the ICU numbers aren't all Covid patients.
Their narrative is "we need to get covid under control, the infection rates are rising rapidly and we have 100 people in ICU".
Rightly or wrongly, most of the public assume 110 people in ICU have covid. If they said there was 20, it wouldn't have the same effect.
If they said there was 20, it wouldn't have the same effect.
Yes but it wouldn't be in true...
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