what i quoted them as saying is exactly how the dr phrased it after saying they cannot pass me fit to work for this job. After that i was just focused on not getting annoyed over the phone at him and suggested that it sounds wrong and that i have tight control etc.
what would you do at this point then? wait for word back from DI and then appeal to them, or go straight to IHREC?
DI will give you an opinion but, I don't know that they'd take an anti-discrimination action? Even if they did it would need to be via IHREC in any event.
I'd certainly be making contact with IHREC to lay out your circumstances and ask their advice.
yea i wanted confirmation from DI that my concerns about discrimination were correct, ill get onto IHREC shortly and see what they day.
its so strange because my own gp signed me off on medical and allowed me to apply for the group 2 licence with zero issues, around 10 weeks in the difference but they failed me.
although he did go on to say the CMO is worried that if you have a hypo while driving a bus i can't drive for 45 after correcting it. which is correct but thats something they are just assuming will happen.
That puts a very different spin on what you originally said Stephen. Be sure that you include that info in what you pass on to IHREC and DI. Just to be clear you did say:
what i quoted them as saying is exactly how the dr phrased it after saying they cannot pass me fit to work for this job.
The additional info you added, paints their concern as reasonable, that your diabetes even if well controlled is not an illness that a business reliant upon strict timetabling can make a reasonable accommodation for.
That last line, is their out IMO and as such you weren't subject to a discriminatory action. Rather that they made clear that upon review of your illness that a reasonable accommodation as a driver is not possible whilst they continue to meet timetable requirements.
Not a dig at you Stephen, but if you included that particular information in your original post? You would have received a different answer from me originally.
that is why i said it in my last message there incase , i wasnt trying to hide anything from this to make it look better for me, the first line i quoted was what i took as the reason they gave me, after talking with him he elaborated abit and mentioned about the 45 minutes, but if thats the case no T1 diabetics would work for that company.
as previously mentioned i drive up and down the country 3-4 days a week with my current job without incident, im not sure they took that into consideration. yes its driving alone and a much smaller vehicle but surely it would count.
i could counter their concern that any route id be driving would be less than 2 hours(excluding large delays) with plenty of time to check i am above the legal limits, of course i will include this in appeal letter.
but this company is known for equal opportunity for everyone. just doesn't feel equal to me(i do understand their reason to a degree) I'd of rathered they just sent me a letter saying i didnt get the job with no explanation lol.
I see.
According to law if you have T1 or heart conditions you are not allowed to drive vehicles over 3.5t professionally.
In case they employ you and something ever happens they will be in huge trouble perhaps will file for bankruptcy...
do you have a source for this? to apply for a C or D class licence you are required to pass a medical from a licenced doctor. Being T1 or having a heart condition are not automatic fails.
Yes on NDLS website link below. Hence professional drivers only get licence for 5 years vs car drivers 10 years.
https://www.ndls.ie/medical-fitness/do-i-need-to-submit-a-medical-report.html#medical-conditions-which-must-be-reported-on-all-applications
this link doesnt say you cant drive professionally if you have T1 diabetes?
it says that diabetes treated by insulin must be reported. a doctor then decides if you are medically fit to hold a licence. it doesn't say that you cannot drive vehicles over 3.5T professionally.
As far as I know for t1 or heart conditions you can't drive vehicles over 3.5t professionally for salary please ring NDLS for clarifications.
"as far as I know" isn't a source. there is nothing on the NDLS page that supports what you say. To drive professionally you need a driver CPC. There are no specific medical requirements for a CPC over and above those required to get a driving licence.
This 100% th e poster your quoting is an ill informed clown who has form for not having a scooby as to what he's talking about.as can be seen by earlier advice to advise a T1 to focus on keto
Once an insulin dependent diabetic is assessed as fit and is both hypo-free for 12 months. Insulin dependent diabetics can and do drive HGV and PSV vehicles for reward and the nonsense posted by Googlebot, who ironically enough? Cant seem to use Google should be ignored, or at the very least treated with the scepticism their quality of posting deserves.
Further info from the NDLS on precisely what requirements and restrictions insulin dependent drivers face is available here
and here from Diabetes Ireland.
I didn't realise they were the ones who recommended the keto diet. Normally I would ignore someone like that but I think it is important to correct misleading information.
I agree with you, particularly when it comes to something like driving. A newly diagnosed insulin dependent diabetic who is driving professionally could stumble on this thread read that nonsense and rather than follow the rules and continue to drive safely. Be so afraid of losing their job thanks to reading utterly incorrect info, that they try to hide their condition and that could have serious consequences.
I'm in the same camp as yourself when it comes to correcting misinformation. There is enough to be worried about when managing diabetes without needing to fact check spurious claims.
If you read all posts you would realise I thought he is T2.
Anyhow chances to get professional drivers job for insulin dependable very slim. You don't have to give fake hope to someone so he going to Waste time searching for one.
While in Ireland you can have drivers licence for professional categories in some other EU countries they will ask to surrender drivers licence all together.
Hence the doctor refused to pass medical.
T1 can you get a licence, after a medical, for 3 years, for a regular car.
Yes and even larger vehicles for a personal use.
there is no prohibition on people with T1 driving professionally. stop spreading lies.
if you read all posts you would of seen i was T1 from my original posts.
you can work professionally driving buses or trucks as T1 insulin dependant, i had done the research befor applying for the job.
for what ever reason they chose not to pass me fit due to diabetes and they said it was due to possibility of hypos. now it looks like they are basing it on diabetes and not me personally which is something i may have to deal with.
but you have left two posts on my queries and both were wrong and misleading information.
Just a quick update, DI came back to me (after I told them all the details that the DR said to me over the phone as to why i cannot be passed fit)
because it was over the phone and they did not send me a letter it is very difficult to prove that they used diabetes as the reason to not offer me the job, so they referred me to a solicitor to see if i have a case.
I'm not really sure i want to go down that road yet.
If you had read his, you'd know he was T1. However, even if you hadn't bothered to read his posts? You clearly had no idea which mode of Diabetes he has, yet still? You felt it appropriate to offer potentially dangerous advice.
Similarly, with regards to the requirements around driving. You had zero clue as to the actual legal requirements. Yet you still offered dangerous and wholly incorrect advice.
As for your notion that getting signed off for a professional driving job with insulin dependent diabetes is difficult? That chances are slim? Once you meet the requirements lain down, you are entitled to be licensed.
Again, you have zero clue what you are talking about and at this point, should really stop waffling on about issues you clearly know nothing about.
MOD NOTE - please stop the misinformation @GoogleBot take a break from the thread please, pm me for further discussion if you wish..
Just over a week back on Insulin now. My morning BG's are for the 1st time in months consistently under 8 and even better... Under 10 😁 rapid and needed impact there.
I have managed to add 2kg 😞in the same timeframe though. Which TBF, was expected.
My diabetes team have brought forward a review appt from March to next month to see me and discuss if any other options are available for me meds wise.
100% insulin is making a big impact on my BG levels but, hopefully a med review can help me either tweak my dosing regime or my meds with perhaps a GLP-1 instead of Insulin for another while.
I'm a T1 but have seen in a couple of places that there's been a lot of research in the UK that a low-calorie diet for a short period can help reverse T2. Would that be worth investigating? Obviously, maintaining your blood sugar control is the most important thing.
There is reams of research on it, the Newcastle Diet, medically supported by the NHS. It's still very unknown here and when I did my diabetes team were zero use. Thankfully my GP was great and offered a lot of support when I did it.
It does certainly have an effect. It had me off Insulin for @2yrs. Unfortunately beta cells are still dying off and insulin resistance does return. I was the guinea pig for that diet on this thread and the efforts are documented on here in my posts from @ early 2019 or so.
If someone is pre-diabetic or lifestyle acquired T2 it certainly makes a difference and plenty of evidence to support successful remission in many cases. Unfortunately for other modes of Diabetes, genetic T2, T1.5, lada and any of the others that are on the spectrum of diabetes it isn't as effective in gaining remission but it still offers benefit. The main improvement seems to be a result of a reduction in fat around the pancreas and a concurrent improvement in bodies own insulin response and resistance.
I hadn't realised it wasn't applicable to all T2. Thanks for the great explanation.
More than welcome. The old system of viewing diabetes as just T1, T2 and gestational are falling out of favour with a lot of Endocrinologists. Most now view it as a spectrum and with quite a few triggers for "traditional" T2 aside from lifestyle. There are also a lot of theories regarding T1 and adult onset being a result of viral infections.
And a breakdown of the currently generally accepted types of diabetes.
Anyone here using a Dexcom? Do you use the reader or your phone, and how do you find it?
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