That is untrue.
When I said nobody knows, I meant it literally.
It is an area of Irish law that has needed clearing up for a long time.
I am extremely upset at the thought of a masked society indefinitely. For me they're the worst things in the world. But I won't labour the point.
I actually forgot what the thread was about there for a sec. To answer the question: I believe there will be a lockdown next month.
I won't be getting the vaccine! You don't need to keep writing it at the end of your posts!
Why complain about mask wearing and lockdowns then, you are part of the 8 % of the population contributing to over 50% of ICU admissions. Those admissions are influencing Covid related policies.
I suppose doctors can change their tune too.
Perhaps after 5 or 6 years some of them might see the other problems that this has created and change the message they give out!
I never complained about mask wearing!
No it isn't.
The only way you can administer health care to someone against their consent is under the Mental Health Act. It's section 12 I think (but am open to correction on that point).
You can't vaccinate people against their will.
Think about it practically for a second: how would it even work? Are you going to put people in prison for not getting vaccinated?
I assume they just want us to be under house arrest and not forcibly held down and vaccinated.
I wonder will we be allowed to order food shopping to our houses or will we have to starve? 😁
I'm vaccinated myself, and will be getting a booster if it's offered.
A high percentage of those in ICU are unvaccinated. If they had gotten their vaccine, they wouldn't be at deaths door.
Everyone should be getting vaccinated. You're rolling the dice if you don't. It's a mistake, that could be costly.
I understand that I'm rolling the dice but I believe I'd be rolling the dice by taking the vaccine too. It's my choice to make.
Why would you be rolling the dice?
It is of course your choice.
Whatever about forcing vaccines on everyone, society can create the situation where it would be very hard to live a regular life without one. I suppose like a conscientious objector during a war. It is a war really.
Serious side effects, both known or long term, unknown side effects.
I mentioned earlier in the thread that I also made the same choice with the swine flu jab when I was offered it while pregnant during that pandemic.
Thanks for actually respecting that it is my choice and not just berating me 🙂
Daily reminder that exaggerated models are not "doctors and experts speaking the truth". Also worth noting that referring to covid death numbers as a valid metric for opening or closing the country is quite misleading when any death within 28 days of a positive covid result is counted as a covid death. On top of that, where any death that has an undetermined cause is added to the covid death counter for the time being.
I suppose we should construct purpose built facilities to detain them in too and take away their basic human rights, yeah? Listen to what you're saying man...
I don't think doctors and scientists should be censored. I'm saying that constant negativity and sowing panic isn't a good thing. What's true in McConkey's statements about restrictions lasting for years? It's an opinion. It's not necessarily the truth.
Would you not class yourself as negative?
Majority of your posts on the Covid threads are about how all restrictions will be permanent. What are you doing different to McConkey? Ironically pushing fear and doom and gloom at every turn.
People are effectively 'forced' to take a medicine every day. All over the country so it may be possible.
Yes, I have become negative because of the constant negativity from the media scientists and doctors. But the difference is that I'm not in the media sowing fear and panic. I'm more worried than negative, probably. Worried about the future.
You do understand you are posting your constant negativity on a public social media forum sowing fear?
People here read your posts and badly researched links just like you did from other sources and regurgitated them here.
Fair point.
You said earlier you would have no problem with being locked down as a consequence of your choice to remain unvaccinated and you thought most of the unvaccinated would be okay with it too.
What's the problem now?
Loueze, my God, the thread has moved on! We're talking long term here, mandatory vaccinations, dystopian times...keep up
BTW, what I said was that I wouldn't have a problem being locked down or that I believed most of the unvaccinated wouldn't either if there was an end date, and things would go back to normal after.
You are constantly twisting everything that I say!
Next time you want to quote what I said, please go back and take a look at what I actually said and the context in which I said it so that I don't have to keep clearing it up for you!!
It seems to be okay to say that those with underlying conditions or in high risk categories (through no fault of their own) should live very restricted lives indefinitely, so that everyone else can get back to living their lives "as normal".
Funny how it turns into a human rights issue when its suggested the unvaccinated-by-choice should have to do the same.
The difference is that the unvaccinated are perfectly healthy. If someone has underlying conditions then it is not sensible for them to take care and to be cautious? If they want to be, of course.
I know exactly what you said.
But now it seems you're adding qualifications (and maybe thinking its not such a great idea after all?!?)
Its already been explained in detail that guarantees of an end date to a pandemic cannot be given. It's an ever evolving situation. I don't know why you would expect anyone to be able to give you an "end date".
How do you know they're all perfectly healthy? They could have undiagnosed conditions they don't know about. Take diabetes, for example. Many people live with it for years without knowing they have it, but its a high risk factor for covid19.
So what you're saying is, if someone has underlying conditions, its acceptable to expect them to restrict themselves (indefinitely), from living a normal life, while the unvaccinated get to do what they like, go where they please, and continue to disproportionately fill up hospital beds?
Okay then.
I'm not adding any qualifications.
"I personally think most unvaccinated people would be ok with going into lockdown for a while if that meant the pandemic ended for everyone and things went back to normal after. We know it won't though!" page 47
"Most would if they thought that this would all have an end date and that we could keep our body autonomy." page 50
That's what I said. I added the page numbers for you go back there and read the quotes seeing as you apparently "know what I said" but clearly can't take in fully what someone has actually said in their sentences because you have to jump in twisting things around and picking words out of sentences and leaving out the rest!
Yes you did, despite it already having been discussed with you extensively elsewhere, that an "end date" is impossible for the Government to give and why, so you're obviously either not taking anything in fully yourself, (or being selective).
Basically it makes your offer to graciously accept a lockdown on behalf of yourself and the rest of the unvaccinated-by-choice pretty meaningless.
By the way, I still think you're seriously underestimating how happy other unvaccinated would be to accept such a loss of their "basic human rights".
Okay, well assuming they don't have undiagnosed conditions (if we're going by that then every healthy person in the world is potentially unhealthy without realising it) then they're perfectly healthy. If a person has an underlying condition, however, then we know that that person is potentially vulnerable. They can choose to be cautious. I say 'choose to'. I'm not saying 'expect them to'. I'm saying they can decide for themselves whether or not they wish to stay at home etc. Lord Sumption made that very point last year. He said that because of his age he was in the vulnerable category, but that if the pubs, theatres etc were all open that he would choose to go to them.
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