How will putting children into remote learning for 2 days per week actually accomplish anything? If they have the virus on Monday during their remote learning day, they will still have it on Tuesday when they return to the classroom.
You can plan all the upscaling you want but without the people to staff it, it's just an unused plan. Pretty sure our very imperfect system was busy dealing with the pandemic. It is certainly a plan that can be better implemented Day 1 after all this subsides. We did as you propose with vaccines, supply was a big issue till June. At the back of all theatrical and non-theatrical stuff is a variant that is very hard to crush.
I agree that the variant is very hard to crush. I'd go one further and say it is impossible to crush, and there should be no doubt by now that all of our masking, certs and measures like earlier closing times have failed up to this point to do almost anything to mitigate it and will continue to fail.
Sounds like a good idea but it takes a few weeks for the results of the circuit breaker to become apparent. So they won't really know the impact of a 2 week circuit breaker for a further 2 or 3 weeks. That's what they talk about a 2 week circuit breaker in theory but the always ended up being much longer than 2 weeks.
If you need a lockdown(or period of harsh restrictions) then they'll do it for ar least a month which means aiming to polishing it until after Christmas, if at all.
What's the definition a lockdown?
If you have to ask... no answer I give will satisfy you ;)
What difference would a 2 week lockdown make really?
I'm stunned that people even still entertain the term "circuit breaker" in this context!
It's actually astounding to me that 2 years into this people are still actually entertaining something like a 'circuit breaker' as being likely to have any meaningful effect. We live in the perpetual present.
With the high levels of bookings Ryanair and AL have over December it’s going to be hard sell to shut down travel. People are vaccinated and no longer afraid to travel. Lockdown comes along and many will just go
Is this not deja vu to this time last year when we had a circuit breaker lockdown before seeing what impact the just introduced Phase 3 restrictions had and actually seemed to brings things under control somewhat...
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100% Déjà vu. Crazy times.
Do you have any long term data on the possible effects of having Covid? But you're willing to take that risk over what is probably the most tested vaccine ever?
I've a work colleague who used to love walking but now struggles to climb the stairs in her house due to her breathing and is still attending a "covid recovery" respiratory clinic in Beaumont Hospital were her lung function is being monitored. It's not improving, 13 months after she was first infected. Fact.
Ah no its not a smart question and didn't deservea smart answer. Is a lockdown defined as the greatest set of restrictions we had earlier this year? Is it a work from home order? Is it when the pubs close or when the pubs and schools close and there's a work from home order?
When exactly do restrictions become a lockdown? I've avoided using the term lockdown because I don't think we have an agreed term.so were all talking about different things when we use the term lockdown.
So, how is lockdown defined?
How could I have the long term data Loueze?
I am not arrogant enough to assume I know what the long term data of covid OR the vaccine would be when that clearly is not possible!! Yes I am willing to take the risk. You're willing to take the risk of the vaccine. We are BOTH taking risks.
Most tested vaccine...but the long term data is not there. FACT
While there there could be some yet to be discovered long term side effects there is a real clear and present danger from the Delta virus. The vaccine will help prevent severe illness/death for most and helps with non transmission too, fact.
Do you get the feeling that some are holding out, ignoring the science, risking illness, clogging up ICU’s, in the misguided hope that they will have a “told ya do” moment at some stage in the future?
Maybe. There is all kinds of strange thiinking out there.
I would say 'lockdown' is when you need a specific reason to leave your home. Where there are police checkpoints enforcing this.
The old Level 5.
Pubs closed, schools closed, working from home, non essential retail closed, stay in your county... those are significant restrictions but not a lockdown.
I was on board with everything up until this point, I supported restrictions, social distancing, vaccines, etc.
It's looking like lockdowns every 3-6 months in perpetuity at this stage, despite the vaccines and everything else.
What kind of future do we really want at this point? I'm spent from all of this.
Very few people would make serious decisions like that hoping to be able to say I told you so.
Personally I get the feeling that some people want the unvaccinated to suffer too so they can say I told you so, not in ICU now mind you in case they take up a bed.
But there will always be people like that in every group in society, on either side of whatever debate is going on, that just want to be right. I don't think there are more on the unvaxxed side at all.
The vast majority of people on both sides are motivated by the same human behaviour... which is, making the decision that they hope best protects them.
Yeah it turns out the virus is more difficult to deal with than we had hoped. Plenty warned this could be the case but they were dismissed as "doom and gloom merchants". Just because what they were saying was not what we wanted to hear, doesn't mean they were wrong.
The good news is that the vaccine is being rolled out to more and more people (younger age groups and boosters) and they're trialing longer lasting vaccines and better treatments for when people get sick. So I'd say last year was the worst for restrictions, this year will be less bad and next year will be better again and so on for a few years until it doesn't really matter.
There's nothing wrong with being realistic, even when you don't like the conclusions.
Wouldn't be a real lockdown without it.
They'll let people fly in though no problem.
I'd say you're right.
So pubs and the like will be closed at midnight? You couldn't make up this level of going full retard. Does the virus wear a watch now? Remains non infectious until 12 and then look out!? The Cinderella's carriage virus, magically changes shape when midnight strikes. How in god's name will that change make a bilnd bit of difference.
I dunno! A few weeks of early evening bopping might be just what people need!
Bad decisions happen after midnight and after a few drinks... covid and non covid :)
People start feeding Gremlins.
The beer goggles are on.
The masks come off.
It wouldn’t make much difference to shut travel because Delta is rampant everywhere.
The fundamental problem is the absence of any sort of exit plan. Back in August I finally snapped and left Ireland because it was the only way I could actually get on with my life.
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