https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/1114/1259858-politics-nphet-recommendations/
He’s been saying much the same for the last year, so nothing new there.
Any opinion or just trying to stir paranoia?
He should really retire that cliché. Be nice to hear what they've actually ruled in for a change.
Abhorrent ideas there lads
Advocating for medical internment, discrimination based on medical status and denying people basic human rights is nothing but abhorrent.
Bar a fringe of control freaks I can revel in the fact that most sane, sober & moral humans don't agree with your tripe
I think you need to open your eyes to what's going on in the world... Austria locksdown the unvaccinated, Singapore makes them pay for their ICU treatment... those are actual governments not randomers on boards whose proposals are completely tame in comparison. So tripe indeed!
Rights come with responsibilities, if someone wants to go their own way and decline the vaccine, well they can keep going their own way when it comes to expecting government supports and leeway. An eminently sane, sober and moral proposition, which is more than can be said for the ranks of the unvaxxed. They are the moral equivalents of deserters or fifth columnists in wartime.
I don't know what basic human right would be invalidated by taking vaccination status into account when assessing ICU prospects for someone with covid.
Unfortunately we dont have the resources here to do as Austria has done. About time they copped on after their role in the initial spread in march skiing trips.
I think most right thinking people would agree with such measures.
...in an upside down world.
There were a lot of 'right thinking ' people back in 1930s Germany and we all know how that turned out.
In America they want to get 28 million kids vaccinated to save the lives of just 28 kids. Dropping a nuclear bomb to kill a mosquito.
In Australia they're talking about possible two year prison term for breaking rules if unvaxxed when plenty of rapists and child abusers have served a lesser sentence.
If you are the right thinkers, I want to be anything but.
What if the vaccinated person is morbidly obese? They have then "contributed to their situation" as you put it!
If people choose to go against medical advice they can't expect to depend on those that provide such to go out of their way to save them.
That's new one to me, calling vaccination nuclear bomb.
Cherry picking examples that don't make any sense - what do you mean vaccinating 28 million people to save the lives of 28 kids? Any child who gets infected can pass it onto anyone who isn't a child, who may be elderly and/or vulnerable. Vaccination isn't so much for the individual as it is for the collective safety of the community at large, not that someone of your libertarian bent would be able to understand anything beyond the narcissistic scope of "the individual".
Your Australian example is stupid too -- obviously something as topical as this might lead to strong legislation in relation to it. Your lesser sentences remark is a strawman argument through-and-through. Legislation for penalising the unvaccinated deciding not to play by the rules is independent to other crimes. Maybe you might be interested in researching common law crimes in relation to breaking quarantine from the twentieth century, you might be shocked to find out that this isn't the first time legislation like this has been brought in.
Edit: the Nazi Germany comparison is incredibly tiresome as well. Last I checked, the Jewish weren't going around putting the vaccinated in danger.
In 1930s Germany government vaccination schemes were stopped. Can't be going around protecting the weak and the vulnerable, survival of the fittest and all that. I'd imagine they would have the same opinion of lockdowns.
If you are so concerned about following the same path they went down, perhaps you should reflect on your position when it comes to vaccines and lockdowns...
Well they can, because that's how the system works. The people with the best chance of survival will be given the bed.
Ridiculous comparison.
People don't choose to put themselves at greater risk of Covid by being alcoholics or morbidly obsese, and alcohoism or losing weight are things that takes time to reverse, for some, they will struggle with those issues for the rest of their lives.
Choosing to refuse a vaccine that could protect you from serious illness and lower your risk of ending up in ICU in a few short weeks is entirely different.
It's not in any way a ridiculous comparison.
Just because you don't like the comparison doesn't make it ridiculous!
The vaccine has risks so it is not a straightforward choice.
Just because you say it's not ridiculous, doesn't mean it isn't.
But I guess your true agenda has just been revealed. Say no more, we all know where you're coming from now.
Agenda?? What the hell are you going on about?
i presume the idea we are at is letting the virus go through the u12 population so they get antibodies? id imagine we wont have that many die now booster is rolled out, time to just let run free. fairly safe in ireland to do that now, have we 94% of adults double vaxxed?
You may be right. I don't see another lockdown.
You can either take an antigen test or do the washing up.
Only healthy people should be treated in hospital. Unhealthy people should not. ...
What an upside down world the fascist world is.
Vaccines are not approved for that age group.
no but catching covid gives you more antibodies and very little harm done to u12s.quicker it runs through the population the quicker case numbers drop
If the harm done to the under under 12s themselves was the only consideration then there wouldn't be a problem because they don't tend to get very sick. I wonder if you already know the next thing I'm going to say...
But it's not all about the impact on the under 12s, it's about the impact of the u12 spreading the virus to other people who are more likely to get much sicker or die. Do you understand that part of it?
So if they can let it "fun free" among the under 12s without it causing too much hospitalisation and death among the older groups, then everything is manageable. If not, then it's a recipe for harsher restrictions.
I think what your going to see is a huge amount of closures in schools, business and hospitality just due to Covid outbreaks.
but there is very little deaths and ICU numbers are low, we should be able to have 500 in ICU no problem, its not the peoples fault the health system is a disaster. you have to remember theres a lot of people with underlying conditions who will get sick and die of covid or other things and have covid
I asked if you understand the point about the under 12s from the post you quoted? Would you answer that and how if affects your point about letting covid "run free" amongst the under 12s?
I don't know what ICU capacity is these days. Do you know?
I also dont suggest blaming the citizens because ICU capacity isn't higher. But if demand for ICU beds comes close to exceeding supply, what do you think will likely happen?
Haven't the government repeatedly told us that the "vaccines are working" and that the vaccinated are generally only getting a mild dose?
If that was the case then everything should stay manageable.
I guess it will be all down to the rate of spread. If it can be controlled to limit hospitalizations then it may be a good thing a 'slow burn'.
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