Have you taken that approach with your own kids?
So all the unvaxxed have been in complete lockdown. They adhere 100% . Yet still the virus spreads and hospitals fill up with vaxxed. What then? Just leave them there? How long? Six months? One year? More?
Where does that lead society. A grim future.
I'm pretty sure I answered the last question in the post you quoted.
But ultimately it will come down to a lot of variables including but not limited to, vaccination efficacy and uptake, treatment efficacy, ICU capacity, mutations in the vitus and people's willingness to tolerate deaths. Those things are growing and I don't think there will be a lockdown this year. But I think there will likely be restrictions.
The trouble is locking up the unvaccinated wont stop new waves. The number of unvaccinated in Ireland is just too small* and vaccines just don't have a huge impact on transmissions is too weak.
It seems to me that vaccine rates might be overestimates because no one knows the true size of Irish population. This is the case in the UK.
The science says there are too many unknowns. Why do people disagree so heartily with this.
A friend , after the jab has lost 80% grip power in his left hand and finds it painful when he splays his fingers.
His doctor says oh it's just arthritis when he was fine a week earlier.
He has no recourse.
Sit your kids down. Explain to them all the possible side effects including lifelong effects before they give consent.
But also explain that if they refuse they could be ostracized.
Cue the long line into the courts. You do know that 2/5 of 12-15s are in that bunch of degenerates?! If your solution is to keep them out of school, they'll be delighted!
Lockdowns don't work. They destroy the economy and people's minds.
I'll take a vax. Just not this one.
They are wrong as usual.
ICU and hospital numbers with Covid will go up and up till May. Like all respiratory illnesses.
It's becoming ever harder to take the moral high ground with the unvaccinated particularly when you consider the nature of the dwindling tiny minority who refuse to be vaccinated.
Sure, there is a subset of people with sincere concerns about putting anything in to their bodies but there is also an ever increasing subset of selfish conspiracy theorist nuts who make up the numbers.
They inject (pardon the pun) an element of risk in to this entire dilemma that should not be tolerated much longer imo.
I would have zero issue at all with a "hard lockdown" for those people to provide some encouragement.
That appears to be the direction of travel in other countries now.
This language is fascist and draconian.
It would be kinder to simply deny unvaxxed whom fall ill with covid access to hospital. But that's also incredibly bad.
Cross check the unvaxxed for bench warrants and expired visas.
Stop medical cards and jobseekers benefit and pup will take care of most of the rest!
I think it's a great idea. With the added bonus of being quite funny tbh.
Massive fines for any establishments not ensuring the unvaccinated get in (same as ID on anywhere that serves alcohol), and large fines or a strike system for those that break the rules. That should push some on the fence over to get vaccinated. Putting everyone else's health at risk with their BS.
There's literally no way, with numbers up in the 5000 today and up in the 3ks the few days before that the hospital's won't become overwhelmed without some intervention
Isn't there?
Government and NPHEt seem fairly sanguine about the way things are going...
In general, I support the restrictions on the unvaxxed in the likes of Austria and Singapore.
Whether we like it or not, it is the way the world is going. Better get used to it.
^^ What hope is left when people start believing the unvaxxed are worse than the disease itself
Well my personal opinion is that protecting people now when people are vaccinated is silly. The general population should be introduced to it to build immunity.
Now that might sound nuts but what's the long term plan here.
Carry on with this crack indefinitely?
I won't be enacting any restrictions at any point. But IF things deteriorate similar to last year, then restrictions will simply become necessary.
I think people's tolerance for living with covid is going up and the treatments and vaccinations are improving. So it might not be necessary at all, but it might also be necessary for this year or even the next few years. Depends on lots of variables.
When does this end though. This is like the common flu. Its here to stay forever more.
Do you keep restrictions forever. Possible lockdown on the cards all the time?
A whole lot of this would require new legislation. To do that firstly you need a government that is interested in doing these things when it's pretty much not. You also need time to draft and publish a bill to actually go through the Dail to be enacted. Timewise you would be talking about next Spring anyway to get half of this stuff done but only if the government decides to pursue any of them.
That whole thing about Christmas antigen testing sounds absolutely antisocial but hey if that's how you want Christmas to work, best of luck with that.
Finally, you really need to produce some form of evidence that shows that gyms and hairdressers are hotbeds of disease. There's no indication from anywhere that they are and the reference to them only emerged just because somebody asked a question at the briefing. The initial noises from government suggest they're not even entertaining the idea of extending the certs any further and certainly not to areas which form a part of people’s lives.
We may all get it but ICU is ten times more likely (approx) if you are non vaccinated.
Holy fu*k 🙄😮
They will have to roll back on some of the more recent restrictions that were lifted and possibly on the work from home advice that has been in place since September. Schools will remain open etc and it's unlikely there will be movement restrictions put in place.
There's literally no way, with numbers up in the 5000 today and up in the 3ks the few days before that the hospital's won't become overwhelmed without some intervention and unfortunately we've not really managed to add much capacity to our hospitals in the past 20 months. That ultimately dictates what we do and when we do it.
Difficult to enforce but a lockdown of the unvaccinated would be a good idea.
I think asking will there be another "lockdown" is the wrong word. We have never had a "lockdown".
There will probably be a resumption of some restrictions soon because the situation is deteriorating quite quickly now.
It will be interesting to see what happens.
I see Austria is pondering a total lockdown for the unvaccinated and un-recovered with a decision there on Sunday.
OK. I'm not big into the conspiracy theories about NPHET.
Will they yeah?
NPHET will want indoor hospitality closed because of the gatherings that tend to happen late November/December but no way can they sector take the hit
Exactly. They could also choose from things like restricting public gatherings, imposing the distancing in indoor settings. There are loads of restrictions they could bring back to keep numbers down to avoid lockdown.
I'd be very surprised if they don't bring in some restrictions if they become necessary to avoid locking down.
I can't see any circumstances where there will be a new lockdown.
Maybe people will be asked to limit movement or socialising for a bit but no enforcement.
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