Which point did I prove?
Sinn Fein are slow learners? Check
Sinn Fein have no principles? Check
Sinn Fein are bad for the environment? Check
Sinn Fein jump on every bandwagon without thinking? Check
you will need to uncheck those boxes as they are inaccurate.
Four out of four!!!
Here is my graceful retraction. I accept my error. I thought he was a current sf MLA.
having said that he is a significant sf member and ex MLA. Interesting that he is not abhorred by the activities of those who murdered Lyra McKee
I think those days are gone. Maybe in 30 years or so they can claim to be an alternative. Now we know they'll prop each other up.
Tbf they shouldnt be supporting the scc,its not fit for purpose and has no place in modern world and isnt a vote catcher/loser either (a party that stands on platform of tough-on-crime is usually a platform for zealots who dispise the poorest in society and want em gone)
People who don't rate SF telling us how disappointed those who last voted SF will be. Like they don't have that experience after voting FF/FG previously.
Your criticisms read like a teenage rant.
I don't know why they bothered. I don't think its a big election issue.
I dont think they should have,its been long enough about,its long since time it was wound up.....if it hasnt been reformed by now,it likely wont be,pull the plug
PBP are only party committed wholely to human rights in the state as of now......a politically appointed gaurd,can go talk to a politically appointed panel of judge and say x is in the ira/guilty of x,y and z and its enough evidence required to convict.....how a party styling itself as progressive and supports this is beyond me
I keep hearing, from SF supporters mostly that FF needs to get back to their Republican roots.
What does that mean exactly?
Singing some rebel songs and shouting 'Up da Ra!' now and again? Here is some news for people. Those that voted for FF in the Bertie years have not abondoned the party now because they are no longer a 'Republican Party'... whatever that means.
"I keep hearing, from SF supporters mostly that FF needs to get back to their Republican roots.
What does that mean exactly?"
not sending any of there representatives up north to celebrate partition ? you know well the party is tearing itself asunder over that trick , if you don't , your not livin in this state any more and dont get the animosity lolol
Republican roots, includes not going up North to celebrate partition and to be prepared for a United Ireland as it may happen sooner than you think.
Do you honestly think that if FF goes down the 'Up da Ra' route that it will win them back votes? Most people put things like jobs and the economy way ahead of this stuff. In the real world, not online, this stuff doesn't matter to most people.
I have never seen a survey, a poll or an exit of Irish people that put 'The North' as their number one priority when voting in general elections.
But in fairness, thanks for proving my point that no one really knows what going back to Republican roots really means. We are going down the road of 'Make Ireland Great Again' type of speil.
To me going back to Republican roots does not mean Up da Ra. Where did you pull that out of?
So what does it mean?
People are also forgetting that when you are in government, you cant pick and choose as easily as you are the Government of Ireland. SF and the boys will know that soon enough.
you are trying to divert the conversation down your own chosen avenue here , because noone said " up the ra " and i cant see how a show of support for the ra who have left the scene would translate to polling numbers for either sinn fein or ff .
as for polls , i like to keep my finger on the pulse of whats going on back home , and there was a load of polls that shows the irish electorate supported higgins for not going up to the partition event
your welcome
Why not return to their roots of working for people in supplying housing and jobs....their entire legacy and near on 2 generations of power was massively built on clearing the tenaments in dublin city centre and building new towns
The country was on its knees then,and ff found a way to do it,we're supposedly rich and cant,forcing people to work to pay over their wages to landlords and investment funds is as far from what republicanism is...the fact yous think it simply means up the ra....kinda really says it all about fg
I sometimes misread things
I thought that link said
Pope reveals Higgins right to decline 🤣
I am really fed up with this hippy dreamy fantasy recollection of the 1930s and 1950s when FF and DeValera had us all dancing at the crossroads and happy in our wonderful new social houses.
That is so far from the reality. Ireland was impoverished by those Fianna Fail governments. The rate of social housing being built was no greater than today, the difference is emigration. FF had so wrecked the country that the population was actually declining. Food rationing was common. It is interesting that the SF commentariat want to recreate those conditions of poverty.
Mate,several estates were built in local town to me in the 50s and 60s as the country was on its knees,what new town/vast estate of social & affordablw housing is being carried out now??,
the land commission overseen and saved entire generations from emigration and gave folks some hope of prosperity at a time when country on its utter knees (my folks grown up with no running water,or electricty and we could build thousands upon thousands of social houses then,including rural cottages,then....but we cant now,at insistance of ffg we have to work to line pockets of landlords and nameless faceless investment funds....we have utterly lost our way,and the english were fcuked out for carrying out similar policies to what ffg are at now)
Your right to critise ff,knock yourself out....but to claim what themselves and fg been carrying out here causing worsening social conditions is progress,simply isnt true for vast majority of population
The rows of Super Slabs mostly late models parked outside most Supermarkets and Shopping Centres, would discredit that opinion, my friend.
The difficulty getting skilled tradesman to any kind of smallish project would re enforce that too.
This is a unionist take on Sinn Fein and some of what is said can be taken with a grain of salt. However, there are some real kernels of hard truth in it.
For example he says "References to Armagh Jail, Long Kesh and heroic narratives, however necessary to claim revolutionary pedigree, simply show partisan insensitivity."
Many of us have said that the repeated republican rhetoric from the mouths of Sinn Fein and their supporters only create division. Evidence is getting clearer in this regard.
Again, some perspective is needed. The so-called golden age of social housing building in Ireland saw "During these three decades 112,144 additional social rented dwellings were provided." That is an average of 3,738 per year.
https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/dfd6c-minister-obrien-publishes-2020-social-housing-statistics/
Even in Covid-ravaged 2020, we managed to build 5,073 from a total of 7,827 new homes. The problem isn't one of failure, it is a problem of success. Unlike the decades from the 1930s to the 1950s when the population was static at best, we now have a fast-growing population thanks to the successful economic decisions of the FF and FG governments in the last 30 years.
The worst outcome would be a return to the 1980s when the Lynch/Haughey government of 1977 bankrupted the country and all social housing stopped.
It is complete bullsh!t to suggest that the Land Commission saved entire generations from emigration. We had chronic emigration and a declining population from the 1930s to the 1950s compared to the growing population and net immigration, including net immigration of Irish citizens that we have over the last thirty years. As I said, I am fed up of this romantic vision of the poverty-stricken Ireland of the 1930s and 1950s when we built sub-standard social housing at a rate far less than today.
Lol rattled much🤣
But yes,entire towns and estates were built when this country was on its knees,such as ballymun,tallaght,several estates in my local town....dozens upon dozens of cottages in my area are all linked back to then....why yous want to make people disbelieve what we see with our own eyes is beyond me.....do yous not feel a bit foolish listing lack of house building during ww2 years to justify the carryon of ffg???
The social housing built in the 50s and 60s in particular is rrgarded as exceptuonal quality about where i am anyway,as opposed the celtic tiger rubbish thrown up??
Mate,im literally come from a background of people who build emselves up from land commission farms,most of best and prosperous farms about here all started as land commission farms,these and their prosperity are built on the background of a ff government acting in peoples interest and not for businesses.......
quite why your clapping yourself on back for irelands population increasing in last 40 years,when world population has doubled in same timeframe is beyond me😁😁...but most of yous arguements are simply poorly taught out soundbites,which deosnt stand up to scrutiny
Lol....prob should changed accounts there mate
^^^^^confirmation bias^^
Check yoself before ya wreak yoself
Sorry blanch152, what "trouble" do you believe I am in that I would "deflect" towards FG?
Its fairly simple stuff, you highlighted a story about a political party who were proposing the prevention of inshore windfarm construction by way of introducing bills/legislation (they've since abandoned)
I was simply comparing it with what has happened fairly recently before it, that the then Taoiseach of the state boasted, on live TV in front of millions that he, as Minister for Tourism sought to interfere with the planning processes everyone else has to navigate in an apparently fair and opens manner, to prevent the construction of a wind farm simply because Donald Trump asked him to.
I am unsurprised you would describe it as "deflection" because it's an inconvenient truth, and no doubt you'll then go on to complain that the direct comparison "doesn't belong in a Sinn Fein thread".
(And when you do that I'll laugh wholeheartedly, because your latest post in this very thread was a long winded comparison about something completely unrelated to Sinn Fein in a Sinn Fein thread)
Things are on and "off topic and acts of deflection" at your discretion by the looks of things.
In fairness now,he bantered about enquiries he made looking for clarification on the impact of a wind farm on a Co Clare tourism business bringing employment to locals
The inquiry turned out to be a contact to Failte Ireland who confirmed they had already made submissions
How is that in anyway related to Sinn Féins populist policy u turn on wind farms?
We will watch and see but it looks to me like SF will be doing more policy pruning in preparation for project SFF
The fact that replies to your question about "republican roots" elicited such lame replies is revealing. Those posters who referred to FF attending a church service described , lazily and erroneously, as a "celebration" of partition would do well to listen to Matt Carthy's contribution to RTE's Late Debate in the link below (at 39.00). His confusion over which commemoration events are acceptable to SF shows just how cynical the party's line is. Not just cynical, but dangerous given they purport to be the people to lead us through a peaceful transition to a United Ireland.
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