I wonder if Whyte has any regrets agreeing to the Wallin fight now that he knows he is likely to get Fury? I hope Whyte wins because I think he deserves a shot.
Wilder was causing Fury a lot of problems early on when he targeted the body and I think Whyte could do a lot of damage with his body shots.
Would still fully expect Fury to beat him but I think it would be a tougher fight for Fury than people think.
He would have needed a fight to keep busy anyway, Maybe a lesser opponent but Wallin could be a decent warm up for Fury ,
Not sure it'll be that easy Wilder was throwing jabs from the outside & i think he has a 5inch reach advantage on Whyte ?
Also i don't think Whyte's is agile enough to get in & out like that,
Fury could also approach Whyte differently than he did Wilder & be lighter & move more, That the problem with Fury is he can skin a cat in so many different ways its hard to predict
Styles make fights so what was there Saturday may not be there for Whyte ,
whyte has been fairly close in a few fights over the years that could have gone either way, fury will come with a different plan for whyte if they do agree to fight
whyte is 9/2 on paddy power against fury which surprised me a little
Fury is the best heavyweight of his generation on current evidence, thats it, you can put holes in anyones record, arguably Joshuas best win was also against Wlad, 2 years after Fury beat him.
Also, 'Prime Wlad' from 2008 was beating Sultan Ibragimov in a 12 round UD and knocking out Tony Thompson in the 11th round, lets not get carried away 😀
As for Fury's lineal title, he has held it since he beat Wlad, so he has 'defended' it 7 times surely?
Similar was said about the Ruiz rematch and he came back and got the belts!
He was caught with a shot round the back of the head in Ruiz match that he never recovered from it could happen to anyone ,( Lennox twice)
Getting beaten soundly over 12 rounds is quite different
True but he made the mistake of trying to outbox Usyk, surely won't make that mistake again.
So what happens if wallin wins? Will Fury be forced to wait around for the rematch?
Also if wallin wins the rematch also will Fury have to fight him again?
Bit like Price? I see your point here. Dubois could be added in time. Wlad did well not to fall into that.
Ok fair enough we’re on the wavelength
Jabbed him for 36 minutes.
I think Aj/Usyk 2 could have some similarities to Fury/Wilder 3 in that AJ will have to do more but it is highly likely that it won't be enough. I reckon his best chance is to throw some really hard combinations early on and see if that works. If not he'll be a sitting duck in the second half of the fight. But at least throw the kitchen sink at it.
The question is why did he try that ? There has to be some kind of logic as to why they went that road to begin with ,
Is it because AJ or McCraken don't want him to be take shots now ? Are they worried about his chin ? I personally reckon its a stamina issue, they where afraid if he goes after Usyk & doesn't get the job done he won't have the gas to holdup the rest of the fight & will get stopped .
Technically/officially he has defended it (WBC) once I think, but I get your point....the fights after Wlad were not sanctioned world title defenses
Of this generation/time he can well be argued the best around today, of course.
He needs to do more to come close to some others greats. Has two wins against world class rated fighters. One almost 40, and one who many believe is not all that great...
And Wlad aged 31/32 was a clearly better fighter vs aged 39 in 2015 from what I see...
No if Wallin wins i think Fury will probably have to fight Ruiz or Joe Joyce (being the next highest WBC ranked after Whyte and Wilder) while he waits on Usyk and Joshua.
One more thing about the AJ fight -
Was there any need for the Rocky 4 bit of his entrance ?
All the cheerleading etc, could not have helped.
He's the opposite of Rocky, more like Drago:) and it was interesting to see that considering he was telling people not to buy from white owned businesses only over a year ago.
Watched the Tyson v Lewis fight again the other night & it does seem they were a lot stronger, quicker and better conditioned back then. Would have been very interesting to see how Fury would have done back then, I believe he's the only boxer recently that could mix it with them.
Hopefully Fury's next fight is the winner of Uysk v AJ, then he goes on to fight AJ to wrap up his legacy and retire still relatively young.
That sounds about right, Bob arum was asked about the outcome if wallin wins would he then fight fury and he laughed and said fury has already beaten him and Mauricio is a good boxing man that will see sense
Bob is going favouring wallin over whyte because he was able to box well and took all of furys punches through the fight, he’s currently 2/1 outsider
Yeah. I was actually going to mention Price in the post! Himself and Fury were supposedly on a collision course and then he got two bad beatings.
They where better conditioned back them because they where up to there neck in cocktail of Jesus juice , Look at the Real deal you honestly think that man made that physical change naturally he;d a set of traps on him like Kai Green , You just got to look at all the heavyweights of the early 90's
Mike Tyson said he used a prosthetic penis to get through drug tests & when pushed on it released peds would tarnish his legacy & said & said it was just because he done cocaine & smoked weed ,
It certainly still happens today but harder to get away with so not as strong
I don't think conditioning would matter too much here anyway...the likes a AJ and Wilder would have lasted about 1-2 rds tops with a prime Tyson...and if Lewis was in a hurry, same for him...
Only Fury is getting consideration from me as a fighter today with any type of hope
Even an in-form Tua or Mercer would take AJ and Wilder out handily..
Foreman from the 90s would walks through both for the KO
What i will say very early to compare Fury , AJ , Wilder to old school fighters we need to see them fight more big names in the next few years ,Although time is against Wilder
If guys like Smith ,Tucker ,Ruddock could last 12 with Mike don't see why AJ or Wilder couldn't , There's also Tilis & Green but Tyson was only about 19 then
Tua is a bit like Parker loads of wins but never fought anyone & the few times he did he lost,
Ok, seriosuly...I'll give you Fury being a puzzle for Tyson...but AJ lasing 12 rds? How?
What more of Wilder and AJ do you need to see? Both in their 30s now. Years boxing as pros. What big names do AJ and Wilder need to fight? Both have fought big names, and lost.
He has no chin to survive, and are you seriously telling me that a prime Tyson won't find it for 12 rds?
Smith and Tucker were far More wily and durable and tough than AJ......Fat Andy Ruiz stopped AJ, and Tyson is far deadlier a puncher, and far more aggressive as well...
Wilder lasts no time as well....Tyson finds him easily for a KO
I know you think Tyson was overrated, but this is taking it far too far.
All fair enough but Fury is much better now than in 2015 as well. Prime Fury (now) vs prime Wlad and I think you got another ko for Fury. Interesting the 40 year old Wlad that fought aj might have been the one to give Fury most problems but he’d never snare Fury like he did aj those shots were so telegraphed and aj just stood watching the decoy hand.
Fury now KOs best Wlad?
Based off taking 11 rds to stop a gassed Wilder?
Or Fury from the 2nd Wilder fight?
Fury never KOs Vladimir. No chance. Fury isn't actually a ko merchant. He grinds fighters down. You don't grind valdimir down.
He doesn't have the chin of a Fury or a Wilder, so there's a real danger he'll get put down if he lets his hands go and gets into a tear-up - as happened in round 3 of his first fight with Ruiz. So it's a balancing act for him. He's probably been more tentative and hesitant since Ruiz got to him.
Fury's a far more aggressive fighter now since he started working with Sugar Hill Steward. I'd say he'd KO Wladimir Klitschko.
I mean Fury over the last two fights. Very different fighter. Yea I think he kos Wlad.
He would. I think Wlad’s mental fragility would have come back. This Fury would batter the 2015 version of himself even. That version beat Wlad convincingly even if he wasn’t his best he was the man at the time.
I dunno why anyone is surprised I said that. The other day I finally said out loud I think I’d favour him to beat (just) Lewis. I think that’s a much bigger statement
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