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Enough with the shinner what ifs.
The issue is millionaire property investors and landlords in a government that favours property investors over tax payers.
That's how we got the mica crisis.
No it's not.
The biggest single owner of property in the Dail is an independent. Plus TD's from all parties own properties. Even adding up all the landlord TD's in the Dail across all the parties and independents it still is only a 1/4 of the Dail who are Landlords, so 3/4 of the Dail are not landlords so not sure why the rest of the Dail would make decision for a minority.
The political party with the most property is neither FF or FG. Doesn't seem clear to me at all.
Yes it is. By allowing self regulation properties were being built with mica etc at a cheaper cost so that their developers pal could rake in more profit..
Developers don't manufacture blocks. A good article here
I would take more notice of millionaire TD than a p*ick of a mouthpiece that's unable to house himself,
As for the housing crisis, TD's have f*ck all do with it, it the civil servants in the background the makes the decisions, the likes of the housing minister with all their bluster is only a spokesperson at the end of the day, the do what the are told.
The likes of the current housing wouldn't be fit to build his own house never mind anything else or can you explain to me his expertise in this line of work.
The same clown lost 15k on some get rich quick housing investment not so long ago, and now he is in charge of rebuilding Ireland, get real.
We should pay more attention to policy makers who are making wealth from property investment. It's people unable to house themselves that's the problem.
That's simply not how it works.
I agree they either don't have the wherewithal or willingness to tackle it.
100%
Independents who vote for the government!
Lowry!? Lowry has FG blood having been a minister and party chairman. He got 500,000 from Dunne to build his house extension. He probably got a lot more besides. No better man to support the golden circle.
The Healy Raes voted to keep cronyism and condone lobbying recently.
The whole shambles is down no expertise in these departments.
Why the government can't set up a housing department and employ experts directly in that field is beyond me.
As for building the houses, all you need is a contract manager, QS and a few engineers and sub everything else out, the same as a developer does,
Then you own the property and you cut out the developer percentage. a simple way to sort it.
Why can't they do that, can anyone answer that.
They are still independents. How they vote is up to themselves.
We already have a Department of Housing. They are supposed to be experts in the field of housing.
You will find trying to build houses via the government will double the costs compared to a developer. Just look at the childrens hospital, look at the money the county councils can't get from tenants.
We would be able to build a lot of houses if DCC could collect some rent the odd time.
I can.
The last housing adviser Fine Gael had was Jennifer Carroll McNeil. Her husband was Goldman Sachs man in Ireland. Add to that many ministers being property investors. Tell me that didn't result in them stuffing their pockets while the tax payer was left to twist in the wind? They don't want to fix housing. It's working out great for them.
You will find trying to build houses via the government will double the costs compared to a developer. Just look at the childrens hospital
Seriously do some basic research.
People not paying rent in council houses will be the same people not paying rent in apartments we bought for them.
If we've money for 25 year leases with no option to buy and money to buy houses and apartments at market rate, we have money to pay someone to build houses for us. How do you think property investors make money?
Imagine if our councils were controlled by a system of government that could enact legislation to enable the likes of DCC to effectively collect said rent.
I said employ experts, not civil servant lifers where the f*uk up in one department then they are moved to another department to do the same thing over and over.
It's a simple process, everything is tendered out, agree on price and that it, if the subby cant to it for the price he tentered for, well tough luck, that's what happens in the real world.
It's a weird us and them mentality. If councils aren't collecting rent arrears, we shouldn't be helping working tax payers become housed. All the while supplying hotels and apartments. Insanity. Good private money to be made off the tax payers misery though.
They were very effective with HAP tenants if they didn't pay their share of the rent, they stopped paying the landlord so they took the hit. yet when it's up to them to collect it they couldn't be bothered.
If that was the case every lad and his dog would be setting up in the morning and starting a development company. It’s not the case is it?
Plus not sure how you know who works in the Department of housing? Based on the departments description you would have to expect they have qualifications in that area unless you have information to suggest otherwise?
I know a fair bit about construction and how it works, not so much about houses but rather RC frame apartments blocks and commercial buildings would have being my line of work. the problem with setting up a development company is you need money and a lot of it, which most people don't have but the government do so nothing stopping them.
Are you seriously telling me you have expertise in the department of housing or any government project for that matter, anyone in the real world that would sign off on the likes of the children's hospital would be sacked on the spot.
Lowry and the Healy Raes vote for FG's brand of cronyism and lobbying because it benefits them. It makes them richer.
You need money and investors to become a developer. Theres an amount of risk. Most people want to work and get paid. Some prefer to set up companies. Such is life. Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
People who work in housing are clerical and administrative workers. They are not expected to do anything but carry out council procedures created by council and the state. They don't make policy and have zero input.
Saw that haymaker about using developers being cheaper. 'Look at the children's hospital' :)
Every project for the state, council or private investors use contractors, developers and workers.
Sorry but "I know a fair bit about construction" doesn't fill me with confidence. You are telling me that you know the Department of Housing doesn't have the expertise yet a few posts ago you didn't even know it existed. Not much going further down this discussion when you don't understand the current model or what the issues might be.
How often would a group of experts lead their sector into record breaking crisis? It is kind of a good indicator that there aren't any competent people when the department is in the state it is. Or maybe that state is the intended outcome?
government departments, on both sides of the political spectrum, have been, and continue to be wrongly and dangerously advised, for decades now on this matter, it continues....
Obviously any sort of attempted table of covid response is going to have subjectivity, but it is nice all the less to have Ireland currently recognised like this in Bloomberg.
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-resilience-ranking/
more stats... go us!
Wow thats an interesting read. NZ took some nose dive
You clearly know nothing about construction, when you hear someone in construction saying that someone ''Knows a fair bit about construction'' it usually means they know quite a lot actually, as for the fair bit I know, it comes from being in and out of the construction game for over 35+ years with different roles from foreman to subby both here and the UK.
I also said a housing department should be set up to build houses for the state and bring in experts who know what they are at doing,
But you clearly think that the government has the exptise so that tells me all I need to know about your level of knowledge of constrution.
This is what you said yesterday "As for building the houses, all you need is a contract manager, QS and a few engineers and sub everything else out". Which is incorrect.
The Department of Housing is setup to build houses as per their remit(attached), you don't have any idea what they do/don't do so I dont see how you can question the staff that work in that department. https://www.gov.ie/en/organisation-information/370584-about-the-department-of-housing-planning-and-local-government/
A huge number of houses and developments are been blocked by political parties, you can find plenty of links knocking around and at different stages you will find all have blocked them but some at this stage are intent on blocking houses to make the issue worse, why you might ask? well they are in opposition and it doesn't help them if the government is successful. So expect more & more.
This is also discussed on the Sinn Fein thread if you want more information.
I don't think the government has the expertise, Im saying the exact opposite. I am saying the government need developers because they are the people who know how to build large housing developments on budget.
What I said was the government should be building houses for the state cutting out the developer,
Why do you think you need developers, people are being brainwashed into thinking that they are needed, well they are not.
There is plenty of expertise in this country that would be quite happy to jump ship from some of the biggest developers in the country if they were offered a secure job working for the government.
Just to give an example, a new government house building department identifies a site for 100 houses and obtain planning permission.
You get your government QS to tender out everything from groundwork at the start to painting the houses at the finish, the same thing a developer does.
Site opens up you have your contracts manager, site foreman and engineer on site, that all you need to supervise the site.
Every subby that come on after the has their expertise in their field, no need for government expertise
So you tell me now why we need developers.
