If the Social Democrats were in Sinn Fein's place and the party with the most seats in the Dail, would the FFG supporters on here be willing to give them a chance? Or would they want to make sure FFG stays in power?
What sort of party supporters would anyone be if they were willing to give any other parties a chance in Government?
I am just trying to show them up for what they are.
Its very easy to tear in to the SocDems and explain why they would be unsuitable to be the main party of Government:
1: They basically have no policies, at least none of their own. What they have are just a subset of another parties. They cannot differentiate themselves from that party expect by "we weren't in Government".
2: One of their co-leaders upped and left Government rather than actually fight a fight. That doesn't work when the issues are more serious.
3: They don't have a proper leadership structure (often something said against SF)
So no, I don't think you'll find people who are anti-SF in Government welcoming the SDs in the same place.
FG supporters supporting FG seems kinda obvious tbh, that’s why when I read the question I figured there must be something I’m missing. It appears what I’m missing is your opinions of people based upon their political affiliation. Never mind attempting to show anyone else up for what they are, you’re showing yourself up for what you are is all you’re doing right now tbh.
What you are missing is FFG supporters who blindly vote them back in after seeing them fook up the country. What will it take for them to vote for someone else for a change.
Ok, well that’s a much more straightforward question. I imagine as far as FG supporters are concerned, FG haven’t fecked up the country, and they’re likely to support FG policies. They can at least point to coherent FG policies, whereas other parties they probably could point to the fact that they lack any coherent policies. I suppose if another party had coherent policies that were similar to FG’s aims for Irish society, FG supporters might be consider supporting them too.
No , the Soc Dems are the WOKE ultras of Irish politics.
Spend more time being concerned with issues like gender identity than bread and butter staple issue's
A party for students and professional activists but not for the real world
Plus Roisin Shorthall is the biggest waffler to ever sit in the dail
A party that cannot even decide who leads it isn't capable of running the country.
I would, early on in their existence, have been inclined to give them a preference, but at this point, no. I agree with others that they focus far too much on niche social issues, aim their message squarely at the younger, educated voter, with the naturally socialist tendencies of youth.
On that basis, they don't possess the fabric of a governing Party, not just on the number of seats, but on the deep practicalities of being in power. I'm sure I'm not the only one who expects them to reunite with Labour at some point and I've always had the feeling that both are in limbo until they do. If they want a decent tilt at making combined gains in 2025, they must do it soon and begin a comprehensive message of what they're about.
Can't make a decision on a party leader, let alone make difficult decisions on substantive issues.
Pack of watery whingers
Who are you trying to "show them up for what they are" People who didn't vote SF in the last election?
Just because a certain party leader claimed to "win" the election it does not represent the population.
Good luck to SF making up a Government without FFG as you call them.
People who say "WOKE" need help.
I would suggest before you start a thread like this you should at least attempt to do some kind of research. Accusing people of blindly voting for political parties is rubbish. One read of all of the political parties manifesto from the last election tells a lot?
Also a statement like "I am just trying to show them up for what they are"?? Who are you trying to show up and why?
Is there any party whose voters don't blindly vote for them?
The idea that supporters of other parties are more likely to be more informed or judicious about how they cast their vote is fairly fanciful.
Yes but only if the government were to the right of FG or FF
Leaving aside that stupid sheep comment can you explain how if SF + IND + GB + LAB + SD + SPBP got into government tomorrow they would make everything so great?
You are not really, others have pointed this out. You clearly don't understand politics or the people of Ireland so I will leave you to it.
It's become a catch all term for arrogant rich kids, it's often not about any policy position now.
Tax payer put before private often foreign business interests. No more leasing for 25 years with no option to buy and passing it off as a good deal. No more treating 'emergency accommodation' as a normal part of the housing system. Better value for the tax payer with more social housing builds instead of buying and leasing. People before profit, (good name for a party that).
We might actual see a result from Moriarty (after it's dusted off) and the siteserv investigation.
TBF, it likely wouldn't last because they'd likely hold each other to account. But that's a positive.
Wouldn't last?
They wouldn't last till lunchtime. 🤣
Ahh it is good to see the party political broadcast.
Sf would achieve none of the above, we all know it and even the most blind SF supports knows it as well.
My question to the other poster was "can you explain how if SF + IND + GB + LAB + SD + SPBP got into government tomorrow they would make everything so great?"
Reply: Moriarty tribunal and siteserv investigation etc.
On the 25 year lease do you think it would be better to allow the tenants to purchase the properties at a snip of the original price or let the tax payer pick up the tab for the refurb?
Not a chance PBP would go into government, their existence is predicated on hurling from the ditch. And they'd find some excuse about the other parties beiing "not the right sort of socialist" to duck out.
As shown by last weeks confidence motion in Coveney, INDs aren't a singular hive mind either, and a good half of the current cohort wouldn't join a coalition lead by SF
No, because someone needs to be the adult in the friggin room.
Most of the current Independents were in a party before and only two of them are ex-SF? Nolan and Pringle. The majority of them come from party backgrounds that would not support an SF-led melange.
McGrath, O'Donoghue are ex FF and both Healey-Raes are FF genepool
Lowry, Fitzpatrick, Naughton, Murphy are ex FG. Shanahan is FG gene pool.
Connolly, McNamara are ex Labour
Grealish is ex PDs
Think that leaves 5 that were Independent from the off and I just may not know some history for those!
Nolan is indeed ex-SF but she was put out for opposing the repeal of the 8th and is closer to the Mattie McGrath school of thought these days.
Marian Harkin is IND through and through but would be fairly centrist.
Just an example of how few of the Inds would be obvious supporters of such a government
Many have very little in common with their former parties at this stage of course - McNamara particularly. Of those with no known previous party support you have people like Berry who would vote for an FF/FG government any day.
Very telling how you read a SF political broadcast from that.
I'll leave you to it.
I listed a lot more than that. At least be honest.
I know tribunals and investigations are just something FF/FG start to kick problems down the road but we spend a **** ton of money investigating these things. No follow through has us with people like Coveney and Varadkar ffs.
There is no comparison. A 25 year lease with no option to buy, is a horrible deal for the tax payer. We should not be engaging in it.
I do believe we should be providing housing tax payers can afford. I get the sense you are more concerned with people getting a better deal than you did rather than what's good for our collective tax payers. I'm not happy as a tax payer to continue to pay through the nose to private concerns because people like yourself want everyone to get ripped off like you might have.
Every time a person gets priced out of the market the tax payer is on the hook to pick up the slack. Every time the tax payer pays for 25 year leases they are robbed and the market gets worse. It's a circular FF/FG/Green maintained crisis. Have I answered your question?
I believe this practice would end if FF/FG were out.
"I believe this practice would end if FF/FG were out."
Back to my original question:
"My question to the other poster was "can you explain how if SF + IND + GB + LAB + SD + SPBP got into government tomorrow they would make everything so great?"
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