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If the Social Democrats were in Sinn Fein's place

  • 22-09-2021 7:08pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 3,639 ✭✭✭ skimpydoo


    If the Social Democrats were in Sinn Fein's place and the party with the most seats in the Dail, would the FFG supporters on here be willing to give them a chance? Or would they want to make sure FFG stays in power?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 20,701 ✭✭✭✭ One eyed Jack


    What sort of party supporters would anyone be if they were willing to give any other parties a chance in Government?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,639 ✭✭✭ skimpydoo


    I am just trying to show them up for what they are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,639 ✭✭✭ skimpydoo


    What you are missing is FFG supporters who blindly vote them back in after seeing them fook up the country. What will it take for them to vote for someone else for a change.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 20,701 ✭✭✭✭ One eyed Jack



    Ok, well that’s a much more straightforward question. I imagine as far as FG supporters are concerned, FG haven’t fecked up the country, and they’re likely to support FG policies. They can at least point to coherent FG policies, whereas other parties they probably could point to the fact that they lack any coherent policies. I suppose if another party had coherent policies that were similar to FG’s aims for Irish society, FG supporters might be consider supporting them too.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,289 ✭✭✭✭ Mad_maxx


    Yes but only if the government were to the right of FG or FF



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,678 ✭✭✭ Ha Long Bay



    Leaving aside that stupid sheep comment can you explain how if SF + IND + GB + LAB + SD + SPBP got into government tomorrow they would make everything so great?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭ dudley72


    You are not really, others have pointed this out. You clearly don't understand politics or the people of Ireland so I will leave you to it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,246 ✭✭✭ Topgear on Dave


    Wouldn't last?

    They wouldn't last till lunchtime. 🤣



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,678 ✭✭✭ Ha Long Bay



    My question to the other poster was "can you explain how if SF + IND + GB + LAB + SD + SPBP got into government tomorrow they would make everything so great?"

    Reply: Moriarty tribunal and siteserv investigation etc.

    On the 25 year lease do you think it would be better to allow the tenants to purchase the properties at a snip of the original price or let the tax payer pick up the tab for the refurb?



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,114 ✭✭✭✭ Larbre34


    No, because someone needs to be the adult in the friggin room.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,975 Mod ✭✭✭✭ L1011


    Most of the current Independents were in a party before and only two of them are ex-SF? Nolan and Pringle. The majority of them come from party backgrounds that would not support an SF-led melange.

    McGrath, O'Donoghue are ex FF and both Healey-Raes are FF genepool

    Lowry, Fitzpatrick, Naughton, Murphy are ex FG. Shanahan is FG gene pool.

    Connolly, McNamara are ex Labour

    Grealish is ex PDs

    Think that leaves 5 that were Independent from the off and I just may not know some history for those!



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,437 ✭✭✭✭ For Forks Sake


    Nolan is indeed ex-SF but she was put out for opposing the repeal of the 8th and is closer to the Mattie McGrath school of thought these days.

    Marian Harkin is IND through and through but would be fairly centrist.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,975 Mod ✭✭✭✭ L1011



    Just an example of how few of the Inds would be obvious supporters of such a government

    Many have very little in common with their former parties at this stage of course - McNamara particularly. Of those with no known previous party support you have people like Berry who would vote for an FF/FG government any day.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭ Shebean


    Very telling how you read a SF political broadcast from that.

    I'll leave you to it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭ Shebean


    I listed a lot more than that. At least be honest.

    I know tribunals and investigations are just something FF/FG start to kick problems down the road but we spend a **** ton of money investigating these things. No follow through has us with people like Coveney and Varadkar ffs.

    There is no comparison. A 25 year lease with no option to buy, is a horrible deal for the tax payer. We should not be engaging in it.

    I do believe we should be providing housing tax payers can afford. I get the sense you are more concerned with people getting a better deal than you did rather than what's good for our collective tax payers. I'm not happy as a tax payer to continue to pay through the nose to private concerns because people like yourself want everyone to get ripped off like you might have.

    Every time a person gets priced out of the market the tax payer is on the hook to pick up the slack. Every time the tax payer pays for 25 year leases they are robbed and the market gets worse. It's a circular FF/FG/Green maintained crisis. Have I answered your question?

    I believe this practice would end if FF/FG were out.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,678 ✭✭✭ Ha Long Bay



    "I believe this practice would end if FF/FG were out."

    Back to my original question:

    "My question to the other poster was "can you explain how if SF + IND + GB + LAB + SD + SPBP got into government tomorrow they would make everything so great?"



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