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Irish Property Market chat II - *read mod note post #1 before posting*

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  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    As far as I know IRES REIT (the largest landlord in the country) has an occupancy rate of over 98%.



  • Posts: 19,174 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Oh gosh, I don't know names!

    Either side of the quays, and around grand canal docks. There's empty apartments in buildings around there for years. Asking big rents too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,173 ✭✭✭Marius34


    Many of those buildings are not even REIT's. As well many Multinational professionals, don't stay much at home. I have lived in REIT's (not in Ireland), staying only 50-70% of nights, neighbors probably wouldn't even have noticed that apartment was rented out.

    People are making to much assumption, to come up to conclusion that REIT's were holding large percent of apartments empty.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 62 ✭✭Cristianc


    I'm seeing lower prices in areas such as Northern Cross, Clongriffin, Coolock or Ashtown, Cabra and Inchicore. Are these worth considering? I'm not Irish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,100 ✭✭✭Browney7


    Capital dock is listed as 56% occupied as at June 2021. Kennedy Wilson's overall occupancy for Ireland 'multi-family' units is 92.4% of 2346 units. On a like for like basis (they added properties since the previous year's report), their occupancy for 2,067 like for like units is 92.6% which has declined from 95.9%.


    Ires REIT have a very high occupancy rate at over 98%.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,359 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    My company has rented a heap of apartments down there at half price until December.

    They must have them over 6 months at this stage. All empty, but rented.

    From other posts on here my company is not the only one doing this either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 93 ✭✭Middleage Fanclub


    DataDude, can I ask if you and / or your friends stuck with their plans to move further out of Dublin to secure a better house, given the move to hybrid working, or have you or they decided that after all, you'd rather live in SCD?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,460 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    IRES Reit reported 98.6% occupancy last year. They are the states largest private residential landlord.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,173 ✭✭✭Marius34


    I'm curious how do you know what percent Capital dock has been rented out?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,100 ✭✭✭Browney7


    Kennedy Wilson's Q2 21 earnings report - in the lease up section.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,958 ✭✭✭DataDude


    Still looking outside Dublin. One took a new job (full WfH) and bought way outside commutable distance (near family home) Myself and the other are looking on commuter belt as have/aspire to have management roles which likely requires 2 days office presence (for now anyway).

    Although current chatter is whether life would be better on 25-35% less money in a fully remote role where the house search could go outside commuter belt! I think probably yes, but reluctant to make the jump right now as it feels like a very permanent decision.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭Amadan Dubh


    The REITs (eg i-RES Reit) need occupancy as they require cash flow. However, Greystar, Round Hill, Kennedy Wilson etc. owned properties do not have the same urgent need for cash flow so they sit on the vacant properties. Kennedy Wilson really are vultures in my opinion.

    Post edited by Amadan Dubh on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭mcsean2163


    Wow, huge jump in property for sale on myhome.


    10-Sept-2021

    All - 12509

    Wicklow - 475

    Kildare - 450

    Dun laoghaire - 28

    Glenageary - 25


    18-Sept-2021

    All - 13435

    Wicklow - 509

    Kildare - 523


    Propqueries was saying October. I'm beginning to wonder now. There's also the elephant in the room....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,677 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Did he say October, I taught he only said January, February, March, April, May, June, July, August, September, November and December. Did he say October as well. He might have got it right so

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭mcsean2163


    I believe before he/she got banned it was late September/ Oct.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭stampydmonkey


    Exactly this.

    Having said that, seeing a lot more adds going up on our search lists



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,180 ✭✭✭Sarn


    It’s normal to see an uptick in properties for sale after the summer. With many people having held off due to COVID, and things getting back to normal now, a bigger jump is unsurprising.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,387 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    It's selling season again and so far I haven't seen any 50 to 75 percent price drops so I see no basis to conclude he was right about anything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,173 ✭✭✭Marius34


    Back in March I said I'll get back in August 2021 to remind about Props forecast.

    Economic outlook deteriorating - failed

    Population growth being reversed - failed

    Demand falling - failed

    Mortgage approvals falling - failed

    Supply increasing and outpacing demand - failed

    Interest rates rising - failed


    For some, what ever load of rubbish you spill, it's sounds right as log as it fits their own narrative.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,677 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I think you miss the point PQ predicting a property collapse was a moveable feast. Since last year he was predicting a collapse 4-6 months in advance l the time. If he was still here he be predicting the same thing a stopped clock is right twice a day, it still no good for to tell the time

    Even if you got a 10-15% price correction now prices would only be back to last year's prices

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭mcsean2163


    Looks like it was a glitch or something on myhome last night. Supply 12711 now.

    I got a huge surprise when I saw 13435 last night. Whether true or not I get a feeling funds are not buying to the same degree. They may be waiting to assess the China outcome.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,173 ✭✭✭Marius34


    Don't think it's a glitch, it's more likely you accessing myhome in different ways. Check that you accessing with the same link.

    All together currently there are 13410 properties for sale on myhome.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,093 ✭✭✭Villa05


    SBP reporting that Ireland has fallen down the list of potential sites for the new superfab facility which would deliver 10,000 jobs. Germany appears to be the frontrunner

    Intel have concerns around Ireland's energy grid. Those data centres could prove very costly plus the cut in capital investment as a result of a recession caused by high property prices.

    Timely reminder as we are in the process of constructing another property bust.

    Sustainability is just not this countries speciality



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭mcsean2163


    I'm going here.

    https://www.myhome.ie/residential/ireland/property-for-sale

    I get 12,712 when using my android mobile.

    Interestingly over 7,000 still sale agreed...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭stampydmonkey


    13411 for me at the link above



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 299 ✭✭Jmc25


    Just wondering re the myhome figures, do they include new houses for sale? I know the numbers dipped a lot over the last year or so but is that due mainly to lack of new homes being constructed or lack of second hand or both? I see a number of new homes being advertised on daft now which I hadn't seen in quiet a while.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,235 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    I have seen 4 properties for my alert come onto daft in the last 3 days (Wed-Fri)


    It's outside the norm, I would see maybe 1 every couple of weeks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,235 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    We were always unlikely to get the new superfab.

    1. Intel want around 8bn in government subsidies. We're not giving them free land and 8bn in subsidies.
    2. Lack of construction workers and rising wage costs
    3. It would make sense for a new greenfield construction to be on mainland europe. Having all EU chipmaking in one country is higher risk, if there were any supply chain issues, security threats, change in government policy etc.

    Ireland was only on the shortlist because we "could" be a possible destination. They had requests from 50 sites in Europe. They're never going to build in somewhere like Romania or Lithuania.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,093 ✭✭✭Villa05


    Regardless the data centres energy consumption and runaway house prices are a barrier to investment and growth.

    This hampers the countries prospects of escaping the debt mountain we have inherited from run away house prices in the recent past



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