Brexit discussion thread XIV (Please read OP before posting)

The UK could really troll the UK right right now by legalizing chlorinated chicken.

Just going by the signs on the windows every pub in London is hiring. One even had "desperate for staff" on a window

Probably not desperate enough to pay them properly though

Was speaking to managers last night from the London pub co. I used work for and they all report that the staff and applicants are getting progressively worse too.

There is something weird going on over there that I can't link to Brexit and it's the fact that English people from outside London have given up moving down. My staff were all 20+ year olds from either EU countries or regional English counties but not it's nothing but 18yo London kids who have never even been in a pub before. Maybe it's because I moved in the post Olympics excitement and everyone was flocking down but London certainly doesn't seem to be drawing them now

Thats probably the rising cost of living and the catastrophically high house prices and rent costs... people simply cannot afford to live in London on crappy low wages

What other countries in the world have a taskforce to secure food supply chains headed by a man who has spent years spearheading a push to degrade the country's food supply chains?

I've noticed on Twitter and with some UK ministers than when somebody says Brexit is an issue they respond with.

"Brexit is not 100% the problem." I think they're hoping that the less mathematically savvy will just hear "Brexit is not the problem"

I agree (with the 100% bit) and I think most people agree but they slightly deflect their understanding of the issue to come out with that line. I think there are few, if any areas where Brexit is 100% the problem. Maybe it's 40% for the haulier problem, 70% fishing, 20% hotel & retail staff etc. etc. etc.

Is there any situation that benefits from Brexit (I mean for the general UK population and not just some rich Tory benefactors)

One of the huge failures with the vote to leave, perhaps the biggest failure of all, is that it failed to take into the account that circumstances in the UK might change in the near future. It assumed that everything would remain the same as at June 23rd 2016, EU immigration would carry on abated : the reasons for leaving the EU in 2016 would still apply in 2021, 2025 and 2035. Covid-19 is exactly the type of unanticipated event that would render Brexit a disastrous decision. But nobody was even factoring in such a possibility : all they wanted to hear was Farage's slogans.

You could argue it was predominately a failure of the political system. If the UK had a proper system for holding referendums with numerous checks and balances built in, the whole shambles could have been avoided. Yes, the shysters like Farage, Vote Leave and the Telegraph would still have been there spouting the same nonsense, but they would never have been able to subvert the system and hijack a referendum.

FPTP contributed hugely to the 'winner takes all' mentality (another reason why an advisory referendum was a quite disastrous idea).

This 'was' allowed by the EU in fact. I'm afraid we're back to the lies and gaslighting by the Brexit media again. The EU were on record as saying they would have no issue at all with a crown symbol on pint glasses just as long as the 'CE' symbol was displayed somewhere else, even underneath.