At this point we have to treat it as heresay any other figures that are bandied about. These are official released ministerial/ DOJ statement figures so that's what we have to work with.Like we did with in the Dail public inquiry,use their figures against them.

Inc the reply received from the Minister for State. With the question asked, and the ministers response. Some here believe in openness and transparency unlike some mainstream groups

Think its fair that people see what is proposed .And going by the underlined it seems they want to go after the pre-2015 stuff as well!

That paragraph near the end that says the payment of compensation wouldn't arise in these circumstances?

Get ta fcuk.

I dont know where he gets "consistently advised" from RE compensation..ASFIK this is the 1st time it has ever arisen in 6 years this topic..Also,as I've said before as the DOJ and two ministers later has never given a time frame for when they would enact this be it 5 days,months,or 50 years in the future post 2015. We have to go and dismiss this as fair warning too.

Imagine saying on any legislation EG;

" We are going to ban ciggies!" "Ok when?" "Dunno we are working on it, but we WILL ban them!" "well do I need to stock up on them or get nicotine patches ?"

"Naw be grand! but we are banning them, sometimes" " But I can still buy them in the shops right now!" "Of course, they are still available no bother,go ahead!" "Grand I'm off for a pack then!" "Sorry, you cant...We just banned them!"

Every other thing that has been licensed and deregulated or banned here in Irish law has been given at least 12 plus months warning that it would be either banned or deregulated. Why can this not have been extended in this case and given us a future date? Gunowners being treated as 3rd class citizenry again.

Meantime while this has all been going on,another bit of firearms legislation was slipped under the radar.

SI 283 2021.

Signed into law by Heather Humphries June 9th . Not too much to panic about folks...It's dealing with the marking of firearms component parts and the font size and putting a metal ID plate onto polymer frames of firearms.Its just them translating further Furher Befelhe..Er..EU directives into Irish law.😡

Point is; This is apparently how govt likes to conduct business without mentioning this to any parties affected or concerned. I only spotted this by a browse past SCOVI's FB page.

Marian Harkin is retired ASFIK. Dunno about the others, I believe NASRPC is planning on doing something along the same lines.

However, a better suggestion might be to fast track this process and get a delegation to go and talk to the minister about this ourselves? I already made contact with one of my TDs who is only too happy to make an approach and introduction to the minister to get the ball rolling?

Think what's more important at this point is to put together a strategy and plan as to what we expect and will get, or not out of such a meeting?

I think Marian Harkin stood for the Dail last election and AFAIK she won a seat.

Agree about the recent atrocities, I'm always shocked when these things happen. A person can do nothing more selfish than murder and I can only imagine the devastation it causes in families. Utterly condemn these atrocities. They are not tragedies.

I still think we should press on, bearing the above in mind.

"If figures around gun ownership in Ireland are correct, it seems an extraordinarily high number," she said. 

If and seems, how is this waffle allowed to be printed, I also take umbradge with legal and illegal firearms being lumped into the one. We are not the one sows' pigs!

^THIS^

Might be worth sending such facts and figures to this silly woman and also to "De examiner" as a mention that using old out of date statistics just makes them look like complete edjits.

A good growl from the sleeping bear,might be good advice to leave us alone and out of it?

Unfortunately it doesn't make them look like eejits since they control the narrative it stands as fact. Yer average Joe isn't going to check facts, people died, guns bad and the realm of criminals/oddball survivalists/hunters and we know hunting is bad. Sure wasn't I only out trespassing the other day in a forest and some lad came out of the trees with a gun!!! Doesn't matter that he paid the state to be there and I shouldn't have been, he had a GUN!

There is no sleeping bear, we'll be brought into the sculling gate one at a time.

In 2015 Frances Fitzgerald said she would move legislation to ban S/A C/F rifles if there was evidence for increasing numbers licensed.

There were 39 new licences issued since then, with a starting number of 167 or so.

The population of Ireland has grown from 4.635 million in 2015 to 5.01 million today (working from memory).

Also, very good article in yesterday's Sunday times by Breda Power about the recent murder suicides with firearms, it's behind a paywall, but she essentially says that there have been several other murder suicides here that did not involve firearms and that they probably would have happened anyway if the perpetrators did not have a gun. She argues that we should look at what's underlying these atrocities.

Also, very good article in yesterday's Sunday times by Breda Power about the recent murder suicides with firearms, it's behind a paywall,

Right click the whole article,bar the pics if any. Click copy and post .Found that's one way of spreading a paywalled article.

18th September 2015 Statement Minister Fitzgerald announces changes to Firearms Licensing:

“Immediate cap on licensing of any new centre-fire semi-automatic rifles

 The Minister intends to introduce an immediate temporary cap on the licensing of any new centre-fire semi-automatic rifles pending the establishment and determination of the Authority.”

Which has been impossible to do up to now as there was no legislation to the act,that's why they are working away at it while we are snoozing.

Now I see no evidence of the formation of the Authority which is pivotal in protecting our sport, outside of the emotion of the moment.

The Firearms Arbitration Appeals Authority...Supposed to be another stop between refusal and going to the Dist court, where the AGS lost 95% of the time. Quite frankly, might as well forget about it, as all it would be ie another cost layer and delay tactic to the license applicant. Staffed no doubt by ex Garda Supers and bureaucratic anti-gun Hollywood educated donkeys, without one person from the shooting orgs involved or consulted. Do you want that kind of people deciding on what kind of firearm is suitable for us to own? While a bit more costly and intimidating, direct access to the judicial system is IMO a better and quicker approach.

In relation to the implementation of changes to the primary firearms legislation the DOJ and the minister habitually tag it onto other legislation as was evident from the significant changes made in the Criminal Justice Acts in 2006!!! So unfortunately this change could come at any time.

If you read the above-posted letter. You are correct, it is being tacked onto the CJA act 2021. And this is a point we should lobby on as well. The proposed contents are in relation to carrying knives, not on banning firearms. So this point needs to be raised by someone on our side. Why is this being kept sthum and only the aforementioned being part of the proposed amendment on the Dail proposal paper?

Significant sports like Classic Rifle including M1 Garand and M1 Carbine Sports are such that individuals have invested heavily in these classic firearms, such a pity that it will be an all-out ban, some 9mm carbines appearing on the scene in gallery rifle open events, what of their future. Sounds to me like the National competitions will be the worst hit and the National Associations needs to get more vocal and politically motivated.

^THIS^ In all fairness there has been only 5 years of time wasted to tackle this issue,but it seems to have been a "let sleeping dogs lie,and hope it will go away!" attitude,or outright denial of the fact that this was eventually going to erupt. So now it behoves the organisations to actually go and confront this head on.NARSPC finally is moving on the issue and has apparently already told the more Fuddish elements who were in "nothing to do with us!" that it DOES concern them very much now. So all that can be done is a concerted effort to challenge this politically and maybe point out to Fianna Failure that after their last think in this weekend gone that going and riling up people who contribute 6million to the economy isn't going to do them any good at the door and at the polls.

On a more concerning note I have heard of reports of AGS making unscheduled and unannounced visits to .22 pistol owners, examining magazines to ensure they are 5 shot compliant, where they are not apparently they are seizing all the person's firearm's, many reports out of the Balbriggan district and apparently starting in Wicklow also. What a complete waste of Garda resources, imagine Firearms Officers who are usually community-based being diverted nationwide to see if an individuals magazine is restricted to 5 shots and of course I wouldn't mind the chap in Balbriggan taking all firearms if he found a 10 shot pistol mag, clearly unaware of the legislation that states modified before use, purchase and possession of a 10 shot pistol magazine is not prohibited and certainly not unlawful. What part of the firearms legislation allows them to take such drastic action is beyond me!

Back to the good old days of intimidation and criminalising the lawful individuals!!!

Which they can do under law. However, it sounds like there is more to this tale than is being told?ESP the part underlined?